Pol Pot!! The lighter side???
I suppose that's what anti-ID really means.
I'll tell you something c.i. You ain't even got a lighter side. How can an anti-IDer have a lighter side?
And I don't go distorting the page width with a photo you might see in any travel agent's brochure.
What's all that got to do with this topic? We've all been to places. What's so special about the places you have chosen to go? Is it that you have chosen to go to them?
You have said that ID is going to wreck American science. Is that your lighter side? Did I jump in and tell you to lighten up then?
If you don't wish to debate the topic you should know what to do. Any viewers here are here because they are interested in the debate and not where you and Mathos have been. Millions of others have been there and they don't bore everybody to death with it.
You haven't been anywhere sunshine!
spendi, But my life's work is to "bore you to death." It's one of the joys of my long life.
Mathos wrote-
Quote:You haven't been anywhere sunshine!
You have obviously caught the American assertion mania old bean. The assertion functions as a self-flattering gambit and the only person whose eyes it pulls the wool over is the person who gobs it out. Apart from the infant's class at the special schools I mean.
Sheesh!!!
Why do I keep having to explain such simple and obvious things as that on a Science forum in the year 2007 after the birth of Our Lord, Jesus Christ. The founder of our civilisation.
c.i. wrote-
Quote:spendi, But my life's work is to "bore you to death." It's one of the joys of my long life.
I shall pray for you tonight c.i. I will ask the heavenly powers to bring you a better joy than that.
The only problem is which one to choose.
spendi, Not to worry your head about me; my life is quite fulfilling and joyful. The time I spend on a2k is a whole lot less than the time you spend at your local pub.
Thanks Wand, there were a couple of good quotes in there...
wandeljw wrote:UK UPDATE
Quote:Intelligent design - fruit or polyps?
(Gwyn Topham, The Guardian, May 27, 2007)
Darwin quote: those who see organisms without the benefit of evolutionary theory view the natural world "as a savage looks at a ship" - a vast and complex object that must have been made by a god.
Jones warns that: "Religion is doing itself huge harm by taking on science in a battle it is bound to lose."
Did Darwin really say that first one? I hadn't heard it before.
And Jones is right, I think fundamentalism in religion is doing huge harm to religion in general by creating conflicts which don't need to exist, and which they cannot win.
If there were a series of ecological, and/or environmental, and/or sociological, and/or political and/or military upheavals you might find that fundamentalism in religion could "win".
Mind the word "win"!
Chumly, you may be right. In a "Road Warrior" type of scenario, the dumbest mentality would fit in with a destroyed civilization.
I hope I'm wrong but the past suggests this can happen in the future!
Chumly, You can bet on that!
There's a quaint seaside place known as Scarborough,
Which is noted for smuggling and rum,
So Mr and Mrs Chucklebottom
Went there with young Spendi their son!
A strange little lad was young Spendi,
With freckles, buck teeth and red hair,
His dad said; "We can show him the ocean,
Then take him a ride on the fair."
Now Spendi was all in his Whit Sunday best
What a swell,
School blazer, flat cap and brown shoes,
The best that Woolworths could sell.
Spendi didn't think much of the ocean,
The waves were fiddlin and small,
There weren't one single ship wreck,
Nobody was drowning,
Simply nowt to amuse Spendi at all.
Looking for further amusement,
They walked down the prom to the fair
Spendi were crying,
When he saw The Big Dipper
And said, "I'm not going up there."
Mrs Chucklebottom cuddled up Spendi,
She said, "Don't cry and weep my dear son,"
His dad said;
"That lad is a bloody mard tyke!"
And kicked Spendi just for some fun.
Mrs Chucklebottom turned rather awkward,
When she saw her old man hit her son
She said,"Spendi my darling,
He won't do that again,
And threw a hard right to dad's tum.
The Chucklebottom's were taken to
Scarborough police station,
Young Spendi was rubbing his bum,
He told 'em what happened to his dear old
dad,
And said "Mum was just having some fun!"
Mathos, Great poetic "license."
IOWA STATE UNIVERSITY UPDATE
Quote:Pro-ID Professor Denied Tenure Despite Ranking Highest Among Faculty
(By Doug Huntington, Christian Post, May 28, 2007)
An assistant professor who supports intelligent design and was denied tenure at Iowa State University (ISU) was found to have the highest score among the entire faculty, according to the Smithsonian/NASA Astrophysics Data System (ADS),which calculates the scientific impact of scientists in astronomy.
The Discovery Institute, a think tank of intelligent design (ID) proponents, is again advocating for Guillermo Gonzalez to receive tenure, and argues that the school's refusal is a result of their bias against ID - which holds that the biological aspects of life are too complex to have evolved randomly, but must have been produced by an unidentified intelligence. Gonzalez is author of the pro-ID book The Privileged Planet.
"In other words, Iowa State denied tenure to a scientist whose impact on his field during the past six years outstripped all of the university's existing tenured astronomers according to a prestigious Smithsonian/NASA database," said Dr. John West, associate director of the Center for Science and Culture (CSC), on the Discovery Institute website.
The ranking system is devised on how much a scientist impacts other colleagues' research. The more times a person's papers are cited in other scientific articles or research, the more weight that person receives.
The citation index is normalized since multiple people often author an article, so an article that is cited with more than one author will be weighted less than a paper which has only one author.
The score here looked at articles published from 2001-2007. Calculating Gonzalez normalized index, he received a score of 143. The next closest professor on the ISU staff had a score of 103 and the next best tenured astronomer was 68.
"It's important to stress that the normalized citation counts for 2001-2007 only include citations to articles published during the most recent 6 years, yet Gonzalez is still the top ranked in his department," explained Casey Luskin, M.S., J.D., who computed the citation counts using the Smithsonian/NASA data system, on the Discovery website. "These statistics refute any claim that Gonzalez's scholarly productivity and impact ?'trailed off' since coming to Iowa State."
Looking at the years individually, Gonzalez received the top scores in his department in 2001, 2003, and 2006 and came in second in 2002.
In last week's Chronicle of Higher Education, the pro-ID astronomer also had the top "h-index" statistic among the ISU astronomy department. In the same way, scientists are measured by how often articles are cited by other scientists. Gonzalez's score of 13 bested the next highest of 9.
"This new data adds to the mounting evidence that Gonzalez may have been denied tenure at ISU not because of his record as a scientist," added Luskin, "but because of discrimination against his views in support of intelligent design."
ISU is one of many schools that have already drafted a statement that negate use of ID thought as scientific. Although the school does not want to be aligned with the disputed idea, according to professors at the school, the university had begun to be labeled as an "ID school."
Gonzalez, who has written 68 peer-reviewed journals (53 more than the 15 required by his department to meet its standard of excellence in research), says that he does not teach ID in class, however, and that it is purely outside research.
Apart from his work on ID, the denied professor has helped in the discovery of two planets, helped build technology that discovered extrasolar planets, and wrote a college-level astronomy textbook published by Cambridge University.
He was one of three professors not given tenure out of a total of 66 professors at ISU.
"For an untenured assistant professor to best nearly everyone in his department in lifetime normalized citations is most impressive," concluded Luskin, "and it makes even more indefensible the university's decision to deny him tenure."
Generally, individuals that are denied tenure leave their university.
This "update" on Gonzalez' case can be misleading in parts. For one thing, his "impact" on his field cannot be determined solely by the NUMBER of times he is cited. Those citations may be negative, as references to his shortcomings as a theoretician or as a researcher. In other words, they may indicate "notoriety" rather than "fame."
Moreover, in the cases where he is cited favorably, it must be determined whether or not such citations reflect "scientific" or "ideological" agreement.
The number of his publications would be sufficient justification for granting him tenure IF the journals are mainstream or scientificallly "legitimate" outlets. If Gonzalez' 68 peer-reviewed articles are published in a very few ideologically slanted journels this would not be of equal value to what the "update" suggests, namely that they were published in many journals. The statement that he "has written 68 peer-reviewed journals" is ambiguous in this respect. Did he publish articles in 68 journals or did he public 68 articles in a few journals?
We should also be aware of another criterion of evaluation: academic tenure committees often distinguish between articles that are published in journals that are of high prestige ("good ink") and of low prestige ("low ink").
JLN, Thank you for bringing out the "other" issues not shown in the article, because what you have "brought to light" are important to consider.
Yes, JLN, good points. The first thing that I thought was that he was cited as being "that idiot who believes in ID" 13 times which of course would not be favorable.
And like you mentioned. If all of his peer-reviewed material was ID related and therefore non-scientific then what's the point? Or if his peer-reviewed material received poor reviews.
That's not "good ink" or "bad ink" heh? LOL
Hitler was like that. He insisted that teachers toed the Party line too. He also devasted Europe and his own country particularly.
spendius wrote:Hitler was like that. He insisted that teachers toed the Party line too. He also devasted Europe and his own country particularly.
Is that what you think happened?
