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Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

 
 
spendius
 
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Wed 2 May, 2007 08:56 am
Hokie-

Do not delude yourself that everybody will not know what I'm talking about on the evidence that you don't.
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wandeljw
 
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Wed 2 May, 2007 09:01 am
NEW LEGISLATION IN FLORIDA

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Law would give schools freedom
(By ANNA SCOTT, Sarasota Herald-Tribune, May 2, 2007)

TALLAHASSEE -- School districts that do everything right will have unprecedented freedom starting next school year to choose textbooks, ignore the state-mandated 90-minute reading block -- even avoid some of the state's spending requirements.

A proposed law loosening the state's grip and creating special privileges for a class of "high performing" districts passed the Legislature on Tuesday and is headed to the governor.

"When you have a district that exceeds the state's requirements and expectations, they must know something," said Sen. Don Gaetz, R-Niceville, the proposal's leading proponent. "We're going to allow them the flexibility to keep improving."

A school district must have an A rating for two consecutive years, meet the requirements of the class size amendment, pass its most recent financial audit and have no "F" rated schools to win a pass on Department of Education rules.

Despite unanimous votes of support in both chambers, critics said the new law sets up inequities.

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Other lawmakers were uncomfortable with the open-ended way the proposed law was written. It lists only the regulations "high performing" schools must comply with, such as anti-discrimination and student safety laws. Everything else is flexible and absent from the proposal.

"In one fell swoop we're letting districts do anything, it would appear," said Sen. Evelyn Lynn, R-Ormond Beach. "I think it's opening the door to something that may have great promise, except that we should know what kind of flexibility and freedom we're giving a school district."

Allowing school districts to choose textbooks that are not on a state-approved list prompted fears. One lawmaker said the proposal would allow schools to buy science books espousing the theory of intelligent design, a teaching that credits the creation of the world to an intelligent being rather than evolution, while remaining silent on subjects such as the Holocaust or black history.

Backers said that was unlikely, however, because for schools to keep their "high performing" status, students must excel on the FCAT, which is aligned to the state's curriculum standards, which do not include subjects such as intelligent design.

Under the proposal, a school district would secure its status for three years, unless a school dropped to an F grade.

The House approved the bill Friday. Before the Senate voted Tuesday, Gaetz promised that lawmakers would watch the bill's implementation to head off glitches. Schools that qualify would also be required to submit an annual report.

The mastermind behind the proposal, Gaetz said his inspiration came in part from his own experience as a school superintendent in Okaloosa County, where he realized that he and his teachers often came up with better strategies than the Department of Education.

He called the passage a "victory for local control."
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rosborne979
 
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Wed 2 May, 2007 02:19 pm
USAFHokie80 wrote:
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It's only science in the same way ID is. When you have your eyes in your pocket and your nose in the ground there's a science to that and when you raise your sights from the dirt and the grubs there's a science to that. The former can't write, can't make music, can't dance and, if Darwin is anything to go by, they can't sit a horse properly; not even a young tamed filly.


what the hell are you talking about????


Ha Smile How many times have we heard that statement throughout this thread when Spendi speaks. Too many times to count.
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spendius
 
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Wed 2 May, 2007 02:29 pm
What does that have to do with me? I think most viewers would understand that post.

There are posts all over these threads that I don't understand but I don't assume nobody does as if me not understanding them means they are incoherent. I don't comment on those posts.
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farmerman
 
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Wed 2 May, 2007 04:17 pm
HA
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I think most viewers would understand that post.
HA.

I wish we were required to post the picture of the rabbit with a pancake on its head whenever you babble a post spendi . Many of us are just too polite to openly question your sanity (Ill send you a PM)
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farmerman
 
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Wed 2 May, 2007 04:25 pm
wandel's post
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Allowing school districts to choose textbooks that are not on a state-approved list prompted fears. One lawmaker said the proposal would allow schools to buy science books espousing the theory of intelligent design, a teaching that credits the creation of the world to an intelligent being rather than evolution, while remaining silent on subjects such as the Holocaust or black history.
Somehow, I dont see a "High performing" school district getting on board the ID train. MAybe theyd offer a course on "The Implications of Molecular Biology and genetics" but Im almost certain that theyd not waste any time teaching the kids that ID is anything but a Creationist Dodge around The Constitution. HMMMM, maybe , in that vein , itd be a good topic. Id suggest "Monkey Girl" as a beginning text.
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spendius
 
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Wed 2 May, 2007 05:02 pm
That's where you end up fm. You begin with the Catalogue Queens.
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rosborne979
 
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Wed 2 May, 2007 06:15 pm
farmerman wrote:
HA
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I think most viewers would understand that post.
HA.

I wish we were required to post the picture of the rabbit with a pancake on its head whenever you babble a post spendi . Many of us are just too polite to openly question your sanity (Ill send you a PM)


Ha Smile I remember page after page of "viewers" posting 'rabbit with pancake on head' after we first encountered Spendi's posts. That brings back memories. Smile

It's interesting to watch the new members of this thread 'discover' Spendi all over again and see them reach the same conclusion every time (he's a waste of time). Was it TKess who said, "Boy are you irrelevant". I thought that was an interesting choice of terms.
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farmerman
 
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Wed 2 May, 2007 06:29 pm
Trubble is, spendi feels that he makes sense. Well, lets not turn this into a "dump on spendi " night . Lets let the man himself come up with something glib and dylanish, that evidences our point..
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Pauligirl
 
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Wed 2 May, 2007 06:51 pm
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It's only science in the same way ID is. When you have your eyes in your pocket and your nose in the ground there's a science to that and when you raise your sights from the dirt and the grubs there's a science to that. The former can't write, can't make music, can't dance and, if Darwin is anything to go by, they can't sit a horse properly; not even a young tamed filly.



http://www.timfanelli.com/images/no_idea.jpg

All better.
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rosborne979
 
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Wed 2 May, 2007 06:51 pm
farmerman wrote:
Trubble is, spendi feels that he makes sense. Well, lets not turn this into a "dump on spendi " night . Lets let the man himself come up with something glib and dylanish, that evidences our point..


I agree. I'm sure you won't have to wait long. But I don't read his posts so you'll have to tell me if you find something interesting.
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spendius
 
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Thu 3 May, 2007 03:25 am
ros wrote-

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I agree. I'm sure you won't have to wait long. But I don't read his posts so you'll have to tell me if you find something interesting.


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Ha I remember page after page of "viewers" posting 'rabbit with pancake on head' after we first encountered Spendi's posts. That brings back memories.

It's interesting to watch the new members of this thread 'discover' Spendi all over again and see them reach the same conclusion every time (he's a waste of time). Was it TKess who said, "Boy are you irrelevant". I thought that was an interesting choice of terms.


and Pauligirl repeats the rabbit/pancake post which meant nothing first time.

fm wrote-

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Trubble is, spendi feels that he makes sense. Well, lets not turn this into a "dump on spendi " night . Lets let the man himself come up with something glib and dylanish, that evidences our point..


The washerwomen have been gossiping while I've been at kip.

How could anybody embrace anti-ID after reading these posts. It's as if anti-ID evacuates the brain of all content and the mouth has started working by clockwork.

If the American education Supremo reads them one would hope he hangs his head in shame.

ros doesn't read the posts he comments on but he has memory flashbacks on seeing a picture with a rabbit with a pancake on its head and he orders others (you'll have to) to keep him up to speed. And he thinks that- "boy are you irrelevant" means something.

And not a word has the slightest meaning. Just a handful of the 3% huddling together for comfort and mutual reassurance and with a desperate need to post despite having nothing to say.

fm wrote-

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I wish we were required to post the picture of the rabbit with a pancake on its head whenever you babble a post spendi . Many of us are just too polite to openly question your sanity (Ill send you a PM)


Go ahead fm. Make yourself look even dafter than you already do and tar your side of the chamber with it. Lay it on thick. It gives us a flavour of what your party debates must be like.



Any further thoughts on Lola's muzzling question eh? ros-eh? fm eh? Pauligirl eh? Hokie eh? (You missed Hokie) Tkess eh? Anybody eh? Eh? We are waiting.

I answered it. So did Lola and she's not been seen since and at least wande had the grace to say he wasn't sure and that the question was too hot to handle.

The rhubarbrhubarb is a sign of catatonia.
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farmerman
 
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Thu 3 May, 2007 04:58 am
The people rest your honor.
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spendius
 
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Thu 3 May, 2007 05:32 am
They have been at rest a very long time.

When one thinks that these people have had formal education costing thousands of dollars from about 5 to 20, 15 long years, it becomes plain that education in the US really is just child minding.

I'm amazed other American have not objected to last night's display of intellectual vacuousness before an international audience. One assumes they are proud of it. Hofstadter must have been right.
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spendius
 
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Thu 3 May, 2007 05:36 am
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Oh, the benches were stained with tears and perspiration,
The birdies were flying from tree to tree.
There was little to say, there was no conversation
As I stepped to the stage to pick up my degree.
And the locusts sang off in the distance,
Yeah, the locusts sang such a sweet melody.
Oh, the locusts sang off in the distance,
Yeah, the locusts sang and they were singing for me.

I glanced into the chamber where the judges were talking,
Darkness was everywhere, it smelled like a tomb.
I was ready to leave, I was already walkin',
But the next time I looked there was light in the room.
And the locusts sang, yeah, it give me a chill,
Oh, the locusts sang such a sweet melody.
Oh, the locusts sang their high whining trill,
Yeah, the locusts sang and they were singing for me.

Outside of the gates the trucks were unloadin',
The weather was hot, a-nearly 90 degrees.
The man standin' next to me, his head was exploding,
Well, I was prayin' the pieces wouldn't fall on me.
Yeah, the locusts sang off in the distance,
Yeah, the locusts sang such a sweet melody.
Oh, the locusts sang off in the distance,
And the locusts sang and they were singing for me.

I put down my robe, picked up my diploma,
Took hold of my sweetheart and away we did drive,
Straight for the hills, the black hills of Dakota,
Sure was glad to get out of there alive.
And the locusts sang, well, it give me a chill,
Yeah, the locusts sang such a sweet melody.
And the locusts sang with a high whinin' trill,
Yeah, the locusts sang and they was singing for me,
Singing for me, well, singing for me.


Bob Dylan Day of the Locusts.

In the Dylan entourage that day were others who reportedly said harder things than that.
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spendius
 
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Thu 3 May, 2007 05:41 am
They rest their case whilst refusing to answer another anti-IDer's easy and crucial question. (Lola's).

What utter bankruptcy. Total.
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spendius
 
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Thu 3 May, 2007 07:21 am
I.m actually amazed, almost dumbfounded, at those posts last night from anti-IDers.

Real anti-IDrs, as opposed to half-baked ones, must cringe in toe-curling embarrassment that their case is being represented on an international debate forum by mentalities of that sort.

It was donkey braying.

One has the impression that all an American need do to class himself as an intellectual is learn how to spell Hofstadter's name and have his book on the coffee table. There is self-evidently no requirement that it is opened.
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wandeljw
 
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Thu 3 May, 2007 01:43 pm
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The divisiveness of intelligent design policies points to a dangerous trend in which certain communities may be actively turning away from the wider culture, exacerbating existing conditions, and creating new ones.

Source: Kevin Trowel, "Divided by Design: Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District, Intelligent Design, and Civic Education", The Georgetown Law Journal, March 2007.
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rosborne979
 
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Thu 3 May, 2007 02:36 pm
wandeljw wrote:
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The divisiveness of intelligent design policies points to a dangerous trend in which certain communities may be actively turning away from the wider culture, exacerbating existing conditions, and creating new ones.

Source: Kevin Trowel, "Divided by Design: Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District, Intelligent Design, and Civic Education", The Georgetown Law Journal, March 2007.


I don't know how to comment on that Wand. It's lacking enough context to know what his [Kevin's] point is. Sorry.
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spendius
 
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Thu 3 May, 2007 02:40 pm
It is only the "may" that saves that from being an assertion technically.

Even without the "may" it is so generalised as to be meaningless.

The assertion must be intended though. So what a scientific mind wants is some evidence.

Whatever-they are wasted words unless wielded politically and on the dumb.
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