Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

wande-

You're doing it again. You define "anti-evolution" your way and come to the appropriate conclusion.

One can fully agree with the whole of evolutionary theory and accept it as fact and be anti-evolution because of the social consequences of it.

You need to try to show that the consequences would be beneficial to society and stop cosying up to the luxuries you have which are the social consequences of a Christianised society.

timber wrote-

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Of course there is C14 in fossil fuels. Science understands and has no problem with C14 in fossil fuels, but ID-iots can't/won't come to grips with that; while their "literature" brings it up all the time, their "science" is worse than wrong, its dishonest.

As I understand and have no problem with C14 in fossil fuels, or anywhere else, and I have never brought the subject up, it must mean that I'm not an ID-iot and not dishonest and thus that to label me such is a strawman.

You just don't see the balance between science and religion from the social consequence point of view. That's why I'm incoherent. I do. Like Mr Bryan.

Youre trying to have us assume that ID just happened and owes all its structure to Paul.

Faustians stem from askesis.

I do recognise that most folks need to feel good about themselves and what better than a smearing assertion to do the trick in one easy blurt.

spendius wrote:

wande-

You're doing it again. You define "anti-evolution" your way and come to the appropriate conclusion. One can fully agree with the whole of evolutionary theory and accept it as fact and be anti-evolution because of the social consequences of it. You are just betting the future's lifestyles on your pet idea and you may well win the bet but it is still a bet and it is one which you have nothing to lose due to the timescales involved.

You need to try to show that the consequences would be beneficial to society and stop cosying up to the luxuries you have which are the social consequences of a Christianised society.

spendi,

Historians have applied the term "anti-evolution" to all attempts to ban or censor the teaching of evolution. In the United States, the movement began in the 1920's with several state legislatures banning the teaching of evolution. William Jennings Bryan was considered one of the first leaders of what U.S. historians call the "anti-evolution" movement. In fact, Bryan specifically cited concerns about "social consequences" rather than disputing the scientific validity of evolutionary theory.

But it may surprise you to learn that I have no problem with kids learning about evolution.

My kids learned about it.

They also learned about creation.

I think the more people know about evolution, the more they can question the idea for themselves.

As for the Ohio plan, I am certainly in favor of kids approaching subjects willing to examine both (or all ) points of view.

Unfortunately (for them) this is exactly what most evolutionists are frightened to death of.

It betrays a basic insecurity in their position IMHO.

As for the Ohio plan, I am certainly in favor of kids approaching subjects willing to examine both (or all ) points of view.

Dylan's album at top of US chart

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' Bob Dylan has topped the US album charts for the first time in 30 years with his latest release, Modern Times.

Dylan, 65, is now the oldest living person to go straight into the chart at number one.

Already hailed by the critics, the album sold 192,000 copies in its first week, according to music tracking service Nielsen Soundscan.

Modern Times is Dylan's first US number one album since Desire in 1976, which topped the chart for five weeks.

It has also gone to number one in Australia, Canada, Denmark, Ireland, New Zealand, Norway and Switzerland, according to Columbia.

Well-received

"We couldn't be more thrilled that fans have responded to it so enthusiastically by putting Bob at number one, which is where he belongs," said Steve Barnett, the chairman of Dylan's Columbia Records label.

The album made its debut at number three in the UK album chart - Kasabian went straight in at number one, while Snow Patrol slipped from top spot to number two.

Modern Times, Dylan's first studio album in almost five years, has been hailed as a "masterwork", "enchanting" and "full of prophecy" by impressed US critics.

Rolling Stone described the release as Dylan's "third straight masterwork".

The publication awarded five stars to the album, saying it was "evenly divided between blues ready-mades, old-timey two-steps and stately marches full of prophecy".

Critics at USA Today and music industry weekly Billboard also heaped praise on Dylan's latest effort. '

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real life wrote:

As for the Ohio plan, I am certainly in favor of kids approaching subjects willing to examine both (or all ) points of view.

Then how do you feel about kids examining astrology and alchemy in science class?

In the other thread on improving science education, you seem to want schools to focus on the basics and not spread themselves thin with PE and Music classes. Yet here you want kids to spend time examining *all* points of view.

You seem to think that there *is* another valid scientific theory for kids to examine, but there's not. Evolution is the only *scientific* theory available.

Creation is not a scientific theory, nor is ID. So what is it you're proposing they examine (outside of evolution)?