Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

All good scientists set out to prove themselves wrong.{/quote]

I would prefer to say that they think they are right with their hypothesis, which is what motivates them, and they set out to discount the possibilty of their peer-reviewers proving them wrong after they have committed themselves in never to be recalled black and white all signed for. Hence the tests they will do are all those which they can predict others can do and they then become self-referential as a group as the knowledge of which tests are possible is shared by the group through their in-house publications which nobody outside the group can understand. Without political or religious inhibition they eventually get out of control, as would any group in similar circumstances, and thus, under the exigencies of the "Will to Power" urge, which is quite natural and understandable, they will attack, using every trick in the rhetorical textbooks, any forces which inhibit their progress to world leadership.

Tests which they can't predict others in the group will do, such as holding a wet finger in the wind or sniffing the evening breeze, do not concern them. Such tests are left to others, the rest, the ignorant masses, the ones to whom it is done, and if the others fail to carry out the tests they have been left with they will inevitably end up under the stamping boots of atheistic, secular, materialism and will need to fill in a form to go for a **** in order that the authorities can be alerted and efficiently collect the **** for their programme of extracting any undigested nutrient it may contain (15% say), concentrating and canning it, and sending it off on one of the famine relief programmes which their Great Leader will see off at the airport to show how caring and compassionate atheistic, secular materialism is.

Any journalist who had the effrontery to question the use famine relief has for an atheistic, secular, materialist society would of course be declared insane and have to undergo correctional treatment.

It is a simple task for the gentle reader to get a feel for the temperment of such an elite by reading the literary (stop tittering) productions of the inchoate forms up above recently labelled fm et al by timber and allowing them, just imaginatively and in short bursts, power.

The rest of Wolf's post is a description of the trial and error method, as when trying to find the right key for the side door when arriving home from the pub sheeted, only it is presented in the best possible light Wolf is capable of which needs must be accepted for Wolf is a junior member of the elite corps and thus protected under the rules.

Just by reading it one can feel imagination being damped down at the least and as science is actually about nothing other than imaginative flights of fancy it seems self contradictory unless you define science in terms of the suck it and see principle and with that we are all scientists even the nippers suckling at the breast.

Speaking now for myself I must say I felt insulted to be addressed on a world wide forum as if I am a moron but we have to accept that the uninhibited atheistic, secular, materialist elite views everyone not within its folds as morons and given power that is bad news for us. Very bad news.

I invite your votes.

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farmerman wrote:

Then he rejects the laws of physics, chemistry, geology,etc that govern these data. He rejects science period.

Yes, RL has stated this before. He calls is a "naturalistic bias", which is of course the foundation of science.

RL is a poofist. He believes in magic, and he uses a "magical bias" to interpret the data. It's a self-enclosed world view, not driven by empirical reality.

That would imply that his "reasongin" is a closed system, in which entropy will lead intellectual equilibrium, and therefore, he will be incapable of altering his point of view.

If someone has told you that entropy does not apply in the "real universe," or that it is only theoretic, that someone was not saying as much in this thread, so your attempt to object here is based upon an irrelevant reference.

That would imply that his "reasongin" is a closed system, in which entropy will lead intellectual equilibrium, and therefore, he will be incapable of altering his point of view. That makes sense to me.

Zandor=The Last Remnance of a Forgotten Romance

Fundamentalist Christian Group Gets School of Their Own
(Deutsche Welle, August 31, 2006)

Homeschooling is illegal in Germany, and yet the members of the fundamentalist Christian sect "Zwölf Stämme" (Twelve Tribes) have won a victory of sorts in their fight to educate their children outside of Germany's state school system.

Bavarian officials have agreed to let the group's 32 school-aged children be taught by their own teachers in a private school -- albeit one that is subject to state controls. The school has initially been limited to a timeframe of one year.

With the creation of the private school, a "years-long illegal situation has been ended," said Stefan Rössle, district administrator for the region of Donauwörth in Bavaria.

Because of their religious convictions, parents in the Twelve Tribes community had been battling with state officials for over four years to keep their children out of state schools. Twelve Tribes members take the Bible's teachings literally, and prefer to shield their children from some aspects of the modern world. In homeschooling, for example, they teach the creation story, not the theory of evolution.

But because homeschooling is not allowed in Germany, the Twelve Tribes parents paid a high price for their resistance to state education. Over the years, they've amassed some 130,000 euros ($167,000) in unpaid fines, watched their children be forcibly enrolled in state schools, and stood by as one father was imprisoned for two weeks for his resistance. Through it all, they refused to bow to the law.


The result is a compromise solution. The Bavarian Ministry of Educational and Cultural Affairs has approved a curriculum for the group's new private school in which sex education is absent, but where ethics, rather than religion, will be taught. The parents can choose the teachers, but they have to foot the bill for the school themselves.

"For us, the compromise was mainly about protecting the children's right to an education," said a ministry spokesperson.

Unlike homeschooling, the school will still be subject to state supervision. State school officials have the right to visit the school at anytime and check on how lessons are being taught.

"We will keep a very watchful eye on the project," said Rössle.

Green party politicians in the Bavarian state parliament have criticized the compromise, saying the state is not acting in the children's interest when it allows a "questionable religious community" the freedom to educate outside the state system.

This latest example in Bavaria highlights the difficult position state authorities are in when parents simply refuse to obey the law. In recent months, there have been several incidents of homeschooling families clashing with truancy officials, mostly for religious reasons. Their case histories are documented by several homeschooling initiatives in Germany which are lobbying for greater educational freedom.

This latest example in Bavaria highlights the difficult position state authorities are in when parents simply refuse to obey the law.

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This latest example in Bavaria highlights the difficult position state authorities are in when parents simply refuse to obey the law.

Is there any likelihood of such things happening in the US? Such things do have psychological motivations as well as the surface reasons.

Fascinating, Wandel . . . we should try to get Thomas or Walter in here to comment.

Walter has posted on this thread at least once or twice, Setanta.

(Thomas, of course, has even posted recently.)

I sent a PM to Thomas to ask him to comment--i believe he is resident in Bavaria. Walter is in Westphalia.

I sent a PM to Thomas to ask him to comment--i believe he is resident in Bavaria. Walter is in Westphalia.