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Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

 
 
timberlandko
 
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Mon 30 Jan, 2006 07:41 pm
So lets see if we can sum up the last 340-some pages here ...

Quote:
Man: Ah. I'd like to have an argument, please.
Receptionist: Certainly sir. Have you been here before?
Man: No, I haven't, this is my first time.
Receptionist: I see. Well, do you want to have just one argument, or were you thinking of taking a course?
Man: Well, what is the cost?
Receptionist: Well, It's one pound for a five minute argument, but only eight pounds for a course of ten.
Man: Well, I think it would be best if I perhaps started off with just the one and then see how it goes.
Receptionist: Fine. Well, I'll see who's free at the moment.
Pause
Receptionist: Mr. DeBakey's free, but he's a little bit conciliatory. Ahh yes, Try Mr. Barnard; room 12.
Man: Thank you.
(Walks down the hall. Opens door.)
Abuser: WHAT DO YOU WANT?
Man: Well, I was told outside that...
Abuser: Don't give me that, you snotty-faced heap of parrot droppings!
Man: What?
Abuser: Shut your festering gob, you tit! Your type really makes me puke, you vacuous, coffee-nosed, maloderous, pervert!!!
Man: Look, I CAME HERE FOR AN ARGUMENT, I'm not going to just stand...!!
Abuser: OH, oh I'm sorry, but this is abuse.
Man: Oh, I see, well, that explains it.
Abuser: Ah yes, you want room 12A, Just along the corridor.
Man: Oh, Thank you very much. Sorry.
Abuser: Not at all.
Man: Thank You.
(Under his breath) Stupid git!!
(Walk down the corridor)
Man: (Knock)
Arguer: Come in.
Man: Ah, Is this the right room for an argument?
Arguer: I told you once.
Man: No you haven't.
Arguer: Yes I have.
Man: When?
Arguer: Just now.
Man: No you didn't.
Arguer: Yes I did.
Man: You didn't
Arguer: I did!
Man: You didn't!
Arguer: I'm telling you I did!
Man: You did not!!
Arguer: Oh, I'm sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?
Man: Oh, just the five minutes.
Arguer: Ah, thank you. Anyway, I did.
Man: You most certainly did not.
Arguer: Look, let's get this thing clear; I quite definitely told you.
Man: No you did not.
Arguer: Yes I did.
Man: No you didn't.
Arguer: Yes I did.
Man: No you didn't.
Arguer: Yes I did.
Man: No you didn't.
Arguer: Yes I did.
Man: You didn't.
Arguer: Did.
Man: Oh look, this isn't an argument.
Arguer: Yes it is.
Man: No it isn't. It's just contradiction.
Arguer: No it isn't.
Man: It is!
Arguer: It is not.
Man: Look, you just contradicted me.
Arguer: I did not.
Man: Oh you did!!
Arguer: No, no, no.
Man: You did just then.
Arguer: Nonsense!
Man: Oh, this is futile!
Arguer: No it isn't.
Man: I came here for a good argument.
Arguer: No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
Man: An argument isn't just contradiction.
Arguer: It can be.
Man: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
Arguer: No it isn't.
Man: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
Arguer: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
Man: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
Arguer: Yes it is!
Man: No it isn't!
Man: Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes.
(short pause)
Arguer: No it isn't.
Man: It is.
Arguer: Not at all.
Man: Now look.
Arguer: (Rings bell)
Good Morning.
Man: What?
Arguer: That's it. Good morning.
Man: I was just getting interested.
Arguer: Sorry, the five minutes is up.
Man: That was never five minutes!
Arguer: I'm afraid it was.
Man: It wasn't.
Pause
Arguer: I'm sorry, but I'm not allowed to argue anymore.
Man: What?!
Arguer: If you want me to go on arguing, you'll have to pay for another five minutes.
Man: Yes, but that was never five minutes, just now. Oh come on!
Arguer: (Hums)
Man: Look, this is ridiculous.
Arguer: I'm sorry, but I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid!
Man: Oh, all right.
(pays money)
Arguer: Thank you.
short pause
Man: Well?
Arguer: Well what?
Man: That wasn't really five minutes, just now.
Arguer: I told you, I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid.
Man: I just paid!
Arguer: No you didn't.
Man: I DID!
Arguer: No you didn't.
Man: Look, I don't want to argue about that.
Arguer: Well, you didn't pay.
Man: Aha. If I didn't pay, why are you arguing? I Got you!
Arguer: No you haven't.
Man: Yes I have. If you're arguing, I must have paid.
Arguer: Not necessarily. I could be arguing in my spare time.
Man: Oh I've had enough of this.
Arguer: No you haven't.
Man: Oh Shut up.
(Walks down the stairs. Opens door.)
Man: I want to complain.
Complainer: You want to complain! Look at these shoes. I've only had them three weeks and the heels are worn right through.
Man: No, I want to complain about...
Complainer: If you complain nothing happens, you might as well not bother.
Man: Oh!
Complainer: Oh my back hurts, it's not a very fine day and I'm sick and tired of this office.
(Slams door. walks down corridor, opens next door.
Man: Hello, I want to... Ooooh!
Head Hitter: No, no, no. Hold your head like this, then go Waaah. Try it again.
Man: uuuwwhh!!
Head Hitter: Better, Better, but Waah, Waah! Put your hand there.
Man: No.
Head Hitter: Now..
Man: Waaaaah!!!
Head Hitter: Good, Good! That's it.
Man: Stop hitting me!!
Head Hitter: What?
Man: Stop hitting me!!
Head Hitter: Stop hitting you?
Man: Yes!
Head Hitter: Why did you come in here then?
Man: I wanted to complain.
Head Hitter: Oh no, that's next door. It's being-hit-on-the-head lessons in here.
Man: What a stupid concept.



Quote:

Customer: 'Ello, I wish to register a complaint.

(The owner does not respond.)

Customer: 'Ello, Miss?
Owner: What do you mean "miss"?
Customer: I'm sorry, I have a cold. I wish to make a complaint!
Owner: We're closin' for lunch.
Customer: Never mind that, my lad. I wish to complain about this parrot what I
purchased not half an hour ago from this very boutique.
Owner: Oh yes, the, uh, the Norwegian Blue...What's,uh...What's wrong with it?
Customer: I'll tell you what's wrong with it, my lad. 'E's dead, that's what's
wrong with it!
Owner: No, no, 'e's uh,...he's resting.
Customer: Look, matey, I know a dead parrot when I see one, and I'm looking
at one right now.
Owner: No no he's not dead, he's, he's restin'! Remarkable bird, the Norwegian
Blue, idn'it, ay? Beautiful plumage!
Customer: The plumage don't enter into it. It's stone dead.
Owner: Nononono, no, no! 'E's resting!
Customer: All right then, if he's restin', I'll wake him up!
(shouting at the cage)
'Ello, Mister Polly Parrot! I've got a lovely fresh cuttle fish for you if
you show...(owner hits the cage)
Owner: There, he moved!
Customer: No, he didn't, that was you hitting the cage!
Owner: I never!!
Customer: Yes, you did!
Owner: I never, never did anything...
Customer: (yelling and hitting the cage repeatedly) 'ELLO POLLY!!!!!
Testing! Testing! Testing! Testing! This is your nine o'clock alarm call!

(Takes parrot out of the cage and thumps its head on the counter. Throws it up
in the air and watches it plummet to the floor.)

Customer: Now that's what I call a dead parrot.
Owner: No, no.....No, 'e's stunned!
Customer: STUNNED?!?
Owner: Yeah! You stunned him, just as he was wakin' up! Norwegian Blues
stun easily, major.
Customer: Um...now look...now look, mate, I've definitely 'ad enough of this.
That parrot is definitely deceased, and when I purchased it not 'alf an hour
ago, you assured me that its total lack of movement was due to it bein'
tired and shagged out following a prolonged squawk.
Owner: Well, he's...he's, ah...probably pining for the fjords.
Customer: PININ' for the FJORDS?!?!?!? What kind of talk is that?, look, why
did he fall flat on his back the moment I got 'im home?
Owner: The Norwegian Blue prefers kippin' on it's back! Remarkable bird, id'nit,
squire? Lovely plumage!
Customer: Look, I took the liberty of examining that parrot when I got it home,
and I discovered the only reason that it had been sitting on its perch in
the first place was that it had been NAILED there.

(pause)

Owner: Well, o'course it was nailed there! If I hadn't nailed that bird down,
it would have nuzzled up to those bars, bent 'em apart with its beak, and
VOOM! Feeweeweewee!
Customer: "VOOM"?!? Mate, this bird wouldn't "voom" if you put four million volts
through it! 'E's bleedin' demised!
Owner: No no! 'E's pining!
Customer: 'E's not pinin'! 'E's passed on! This parrot is no more! He has ceased
to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft
of life, 'e rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the perch 'e'd be
pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off
the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run
down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!!
THIS IS AN EX-PARROT!!

(pause)

Owner: Well, I'd better replace it, then.
(he takes a quick peek behind the counter)
Owner: Sorry squire, I've had a look 'round the back of the shop, and uh, we're right out of parrots. Customer: I see. I see, I get the picture.
Owner: I got a slug.

(pause)

Customer: (sweet as sugar) Pray, does it talk?
Owner: Nnnnot really.
Customer: WELL IT'S HARDLY A BLOODY REPLACEMENT, IS IT?!!???!!?
Owner: Look, if you go to my brother's pet shop in Bolton, he'll replace the parrot for you.
Customer: Bolton, eh? Very well.

The customer leaves.

The customer enters the same pet shop. The owner is putting on a false
moustache.

Customer: This is Bolton, is it?
Owner: (with a fake mustache) No, it's Ipswitch.
Customer: (looking at the camera) That's inter-city rail for you.

The customer goes to the train station.
He addresses a man standing behind a desk marked "Complaints".

Customer: I wish to complain, British-Railways Person.
Attendant: I DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS JOB, YOU KNOW!!!
Customer: I beg your pardon...?
Attendant: I'm a qualified brain surgeon! I only do this job because I like being my own boss!
Customer: Excuse me, this is irrelevant, isn't it?
Attendant: Yeah, well it's not easy to pad these python files out to 200 lines, you know.
Customer: Well, I wish to complain. I got on the Bolton train and found myself deposited here in Ipswitch.
Attendant: No, this is Bolton.
Customer: (to the camera) The pet shop man's brother was lying!!
Attendant: Can't blame British Rail for that.
Customer: In that case, I shall return to the pet shop!

He does.

Customer: I understand this IS Bolton.
Owner: (still with the fake mustache) Yes?
Customer: You told me it was Ipswitch!
Owner: ...It was a pun.
Customer: (pause) A PUN?!?
Owner: No, no...not a pun...What's that thing that spells the same backwards as forwards?
Customer: (Long pause) A palindrome...?
Owner: Yeah, that's it!
Customer: It's not a palindrome! The palindrome of "Bolton" would be "Notlob"!! It don't work!!
Owner: Well, what do you want?
Customer: I'm not prepared to pursue my line of inquiry any longer as I think this is getting too silly!

Sergeant-Major: Quite agree, quite agree, too silly, far too silly ...



There - that's about it, I believe. All the important stuff, anyhow.
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spendius
 
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Tue 31 Jan, 2006 05:34 am
Monte Python eh?

Took 'em a week to write that and the Dead Parrot Sketch is straight out of Roget's Thesuarus and Cleese had to get shrinked straight or nearly.

It's really,really,really tame stuff and excites those members of the lower middle classes who teach social studies in the lower school or are receptionists for things like dentists and solicitors.

We have moved on somewhat since then but judging from the above I had better not even pass the flavour over the pondy.

It has been an excellent discussion I feel and I have enjoyed participating in it although I am aware that raising any points of importance inevitably cued a reflex movement in the mind of some of the debaters.I have learned a fair bit about our allies in the war on terror and now understand more fully why the sergeant's mess in Basra has a picture of an American Marine on the notice board under which is scrawled "This is the enemy stupid!".
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spendius
 
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Tue 31 Jan, 2006 06:00 am
Seeing as quoting is all the rage here is one from Keynes on the occasion of the money lending agreement after the war.

The Americans--"mean us no harm-but their minds are so small,their prospect so restricted,their knowledge so inadequate,their obstinacy so boundless and their legal pedantries so infuriating."

I gather there has been a "dumbing down" since those great days.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Tue 31 Jan, 2006 06:21 am
timberlandko wrote:
So lets see if we can sum up the last 340-some pages here ...

Quote:
Man: Ah. I'd like to have an argument, please....
.... Quite agree, quite agree, too silly, far too silly ...



There - that's about it, I believe. All the important stuff, anyhow.


Thanks Timber, some of that Monty Python stuff makes me proud to be a Brit.
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farmerman
 
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Tue 31 Jan, 2006 06:37 am
spendius
Quote:

It has been an excellent discussion I feel and I have enjoyed participating in it although I am aware that raising any points of importance inevitably cued a reflex movement in the mind of some of the debaters.
Perhaps you could raise some points of importance then. I anticipate your input.
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timberlandko
 
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Tue 31 Jan, 2006 06:42 am
Yer weccum, Steve - and I understand; I almost envy you guys for those geniouses. On the otherhand, there are the sorta Brits who sorta make me think of Basil Fawlty as interpreted by Benny Hill ... on whom I'd think it not too spendy to spend a penny.
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farmerman
 
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Tue 31 Jan, 2006 06:46 am
theres an idea for a thread. "Comedians and humorists that will last through the ages"

Like William Claude, or the Marx's. Steven Wright, Richard Feynman.
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spendius
 
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Tue 31 Jan, 2006 07:19 am
Benny Hill was streets ahead of Python.Out of sight.A proper intellectual.Python was witty journalism.Shallow basically.It allowed the lower middle classes to think of themselves as sophisticated.It went out before the "watershed" which is code for "suitable for children".

A real point-

Well-is it all a conspiracy of lawyers.It's them wots got the dough.

What will 280 million atheists look like?

Should parents influence education?

Can anybody imagine reducible complexity?

Why is this ID/SD debate widespread if it is,as has been said over and over-stupid and idiotic?

Which has priority-human organisation or scientific facts?

Why is it recognised that there is a tension between attitudes to belief systems in city life and in rural life except on this thread.

I know these are only small questions compared to the large ones which I have yet to broach for reasons of decorum.

If I have time I'll look back and find a few more that not only haven't been answered but no attempt to answer has been made.
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rosborne979
 
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Tue 31 Jan, 2006 08:09 am
You should start some new threads, some of these questions are contentious enough to drive some decent discussion.

spendius wrote:
Well-is it all a conspiracy of lawyers.It's them wots got the dough.


Nothing like a good lawyer conspiracy to get the flames flicking.

spendius wrote:
What will 280 million atheists look like?


A healthy happy population

spendius wrote:
Should parents influence education?


Parents can't help but influence the thoughts and education of their child (as long as they interact with their kids), but I guess the real question is should parents directly affect public education standards, or should they only affect those standards with their votes (in the US).

spendius wrote:
Can anybody imagine reducible complexity?


Things get more and more reducible every day.

spendius wrote:
Why is this ID/SD debate widespread if it is,as has been said over and over-stupid and idiotic?


Because lots of people don't know what they are talking about.

spendius wrote:
Which has priority-human organisation or scientific facts?


Why do those things need to be in conflict?

spendius wrote:
Why is it recognised that there is a tension between attitudes to belief systems in city life and in rural life except on this thread.


Because this needs a new thread?

spendius wrote:
I know these are only small questions compared to the large ones which I have yet to broach for reasons of decorum.


Broach away. I'm sure the moderators will moderate as necessary if your decorum exceeds the forum.
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wandeljw
 
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Tue 31 Jan, 2006 08:12 am
spendius wrote:
Benny Hill was streets ahead of Python.


Another subject for spendius to start a different thread.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Tue 31 Jan, 2006 08:26 am
timberlandko wrote:
Yer weccum, Steve - and I understand; I almost envy you guys for those geniouses. On the otherhand, there are the sorta Brits who sorta make me think of Basil Fawlty as interpreted by Benny Hill ... on whom I'd think it not too spendy to spend a penny.
no allusions there then
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Steve 41oo
 
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Tue 31 Jan, 2006 08:29 am
spendius wrote:
Benny Hill was streets ahead of Python.Out of sight.A proper intellectual.Python was witty journalism.Shallow basically.It allowed the lower middle classes...
I think you are quite a comedian yourself Spendy, now what exactly have you got against the Lower Middle Classes, and who the **** are they anyway?
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spendius
 
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Tue 31 Jan, 2006 08:47 am
spendius wrote:
What will 280 million atheists look like?


A healthy happy population ros wrote


Hahahehesmirksmirkchucklechucklehehehehehe got to go to hospital to stop ribs aching.

At least ridiculous answers are better than dumb silence at the 4th time of asking.It shows somebody has a sense of humour.
ros wrote-

Quote:
Because lots of people don't know what they are talking about.


English understatement eh?(Shows signs of improvement).

and-

Quote:
Things get more and more reducible every day.


We know that ros but-
This debate is in the furthest reaches of the asymptote.

And-

Quote:

Why do those things need to be in conflict?


A statement from a source not quite up to speed on what scientists are up to and I'm miles behind these days.Shows a similar complacency as the one about 280 million atheists.

And-

Quote:
Broach away. I'm sure the moderators will moderate as necessary if your decorum exceeds the forum.


That's so true ros that it isn't worth testing it.

PS.I'm not keen on my starting threads.I'm tempermentally more of a reactor than an initiator.
I tend to need switching on.Like the nukes in SAC.
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spendius
 
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Tue 31 Jan, 2006 08:51 am
Are my eyes deceiving me or is this thread heading for a 1000 views in 24 hours?
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spendius
 
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Tue 31 Jan, 2006 09:01 am
Steve wrote-

Quote:
I think you are quite a comedian yourself Spendy, now what exactly have you got against the Lower Middle Classes, and who the **** are they anyway?


It's easy being comical with so much absurdity about.

The LMC are basically the Paperwork Party.The Trusties.What I have against them is what Flaubert et al had against them.They are wallies and a threat to the dignity of men.They try to ape the powerful whilst they themselves are powerless.

UP THE WORKERS.
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spendius
 
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Tue 31 Jan, 2006 09:13 am
I overlooked the "who the **** are they anyway" bit.

Check out the bathrooms, hair dressing salons and signs of "tart's knickers" design features in curtains and bedclothes.Matriarchal for short.

Of course the LMC decide the outcome of elections but as they can't tell the difference between the parties that is of no consequence.

Oh-They whinge a lot and use their children in an attempt to prove the superiority of their genetic material which they pass in ways too sordid to discuss.
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spendius
 
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Tue 31 Jan, 2006 09:43 am
Here's a joke I just made up.

A scientist has discovered a perpetual motion machine.

He's called Prince Charles.
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spendius
 
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Tue 31 Jan, 2006 10:32 am
A programme the other week said that Prince Charles not only liked his eggs boiled just so but they had to be ready when he arrived home from the hunting field.These important considerations had led,it seems,to one occasion where 200 eggs were boiled to be thrown away because he was a little late.

I bet you thought my joke was about Camilla.Would I be ungallant?
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Steve 41oo
 
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Tue 31 Jan, 2006 10:34 am
eggsactly
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wandeljw
 
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Tue 31 Jan, 2006 11:48 am
Quote:
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