Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

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Together we seek truth like the limpets seek metal and just before they detonate , like so many fireflies reacting their luciferin, we find that truth escapes us like a Bowl of soup served in a Seinfeld episode.

That's terrible.That's trying to pretend being creative for an audience of illiterate,D-stream backrowers with only bumfluff on their chins.

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spendius wrote:

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Together we seek truth like the limpets seek metal and just before they detonate , like so many fireflies reacting their luciferin, we find that truth escapes us like a Bowl of soup served in a Seinfeld episode.

That's terrible.That's trying to pretend being creative for an audience of illiterate,D-stream backrowers with only bumfluff on their chins.

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On second thoughts replace "backrowers" with "frontrowers".

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spendi.....I had forgotten how much I enjoy your poetic and refined humor.....now if only you could be rational as well.....

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I think he is quite rational - though he does enjoy throwing in a curve ball or two. What he doesn't do is reduce the question to the absurd evolution versus Genesis question which sadly dominates both the arguments here and the public debate as well.

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georgeob1 wrote:

timberlandko wrote:
That's not exactly the point, c.i. - the point is that an "All Perfect" entity would have neither need nor want to create anything, perfect, imperfect, or otherwise; "perfection", particularly unambiguously as would be entailed by "All Perfect", entails a completeness, leaving nothing to be wanted, needed, or created.

Now that doesn't mean there is not or may not be an all-perfect entity - it just renders creation a concept incompatible with any such entity.

Since I am sure that you don't consider yourself to be one, then on what basis do you claim to understand the universe of possibilities for the motivation of such an entity?

I don't claim to understand the universe of possibilities, George, but objective, pragmatic semantics and applied logic argue against the probabilty of any such entity as is exemplified by the God of the Abrahamic Mythopaeia. No forensically valid case may be made for the proposition.

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Of what other possibilities can you conceive for your consciousness and the isolation of which we are all aware?

Not quite sure where you're coming from or going to with isolation bit, but as for consiosness, it is a manifestation of the evolutionary development of electrochemical processes, that and nothing more nor less.. That the exact protocausal mechanis of the phenomon may be yet not understood, even that they may not be ever fully understood, in no way entails the necessity of an imaginary, wholly illogical, foundational entity.

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A brief and fleeting evanescence of Lola's divine fragrance conjured into being-

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now if only you could be rational as well.....

Now Lola-you should know better than that.If we men were to accept the rationality of ladies there would inevitable be something in the way of a large fall of soot with Manhattan as hearthrug.

I have no difficulty in understanding your gleeful reaction to Judge Jones's fanciful conclusions.I have already compared it to Harriet Martineau's enthusiastic welcome of Origin of Species.Perhaps the Judge has a few daughters and sisters.

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Oh joy, spendi now are you going to offer us Delphic oracles or maybe some doomsday apocalytic visions?

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talk-

The oracle at Delphi was feminine and fearsome to look at.Some may say that I qualify in respect of the latter but none in the case of the former.

One needn't be an oracle to predict the state of things under a totally scientific Weltanschauung and if one hasn't got one of those then there is a place,and functional utility,for Religion in which case our youth ought to have some idea of it.

My own position on Religion is neither here nor there.

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but your inability to understand our own judicial system is here. Ive never heard as much foamheaded tripe as from your posts, when youve admitted that you have no clue . Nor obviously do you give a wank. So, I for one, shall treat you as hostile till proven otherwise.

If you ever wanna shoot some real pool, Ill spot ya two racks and still whup yer ass. (its all apllied physics you know.)

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spendius

spendius wrote:

My own position on Religion is neither here nor there.

Spendius, do we need to establish a lost and found department to look for your religious opinion that is neither here nor there.

Poor lost sheep.

BBB Laughing

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Spendius, do we need to establish a lost and found department to look for your religious opinion that is neither here nor there.

Poor lost sheep.

BBB

I've been a "little lost sheep" since the event which took place once which I worked out was around Easter Time, and Easter Monday evening is the most likely suspect,and nothing has happened to change my status since.

I'm definitely little,even just round here,I'm definitely lost and I've been sheperded uphill and down dale since before I remember.

Are you big,found and a person with a free will.

What's it like.It certainly sounds good but when you're "found" don't they put you in the lost property shelves with a ticket on so you can wait for your owner to come and pick you up which,in some cases,no names no pack-drill,is probably unlikely.When you're lost you just blow about with the eddying currents and that's no good is it?

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spendi wrote: "I'm definitely little,even just round here,I'm definitely lost and I've been sheperded uphill and down dale since before I remember."

I can't imagine anybody writing what spendi did to pass any English course in the US. If that's an indication of UK standards, I petty them.

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A "petty" is an English colloquialism for a dunny or an outside toilet with no water supply.

I thought I ought to point that out since I would think those who learned English in American schools,if c.i. is to be believed,might think he meant "pity" and made a typo of it.

What is the matter with my sentence?

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It seems "petty" has a better meaning than pity in this instance - to wit.

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spendius wrote:

For the thinking man solutions to problems are either right or wrong.The causality side.

For the man of action,engaged with life,solutions are either valuable or otherwise.The Destiny side.

The thinking man believes that he is significant and should run things but in fact he is riding along on the coat tails of life.Dawkins will be unknown in 200 years.Mr Putin,Mr Bush and Mr Blair's actions will be read about and discussed by the thinking men of that time and other men of action will be changing the course of Destiny.

Complete BS spendius. It presumes that men of action don't think and men that think don't act. Surely you are aware of Aristotle and Plato yet did they act such as Blair, Putin and Bush have? Or did they mostly think and write as Dawkins perhaps is doing?

I don't know of any thinking person that believe that all solutions are only right or wrong. With a thinking person they understand that all possible solutions have good and bad qualities. They try to pick the best solution based on the possible side effects. If a man of action fails to look at the possible outcomes but only acts then he is destined to fail 50% of the time if not more.

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spendi, "sheperded" is not a word. You probably meant shepherded.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

spendi wrote:
It struck me in the pub,from where I have just recently made a somewhat circuitous egress,that logically,if one could second guess the Perfect Being one would have gone a fair old way to proving that one is a perfect being oneself despite a rather a large amount of forensic evidence to the contrary.

Will somebody please translate this into English, please?

I wonder why Spendius had to make a trip to the pub to realize that anyone that claims to know the mind of God is professing to be God. It is rather obvious.

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spendius wrote:

talk-

The oracle at Delphi was feminine and fearsome to look at.Some may say that I qualify in respect of the latter but none in the case of the former.

One needn't be an oracle to predict the state of things under a totally scientific Weltanschauung and if one hasn't got one of those then there is a place,and functional utility,for Religion in which case our youth ought to have some idea of it.

My own position on Religion is neither here nor there.

But perhaps if one usurped the place of God they could predict.... :wink:

You should have spent more time in the pub as a lad Spendi.

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I wasn't allowed in pubs until I was 18.

I have no interest in Aristotle or Plato.Fossils of the mind.But I realise that when people trot their names out it can make them seem educated,and thus superior,to those of a nervous disposition.

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It presumes that men of action don't think and men that think don't act.

No it doesn't.Both are ideal types and as such don't exist.It is a question of emphasis and history remembers those where the emphasis was pronounced on one side or the other.Pure abstract thought and pure dynamic action.

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I don't know of any thinking person that believe that all solutions are only right or wrong.

You may not know any "thinking persons".To give us the idea that you are surrounded by "thinking persons" does rather provide you with some cute tittivation of your image.Doesn't Dawkins believe his solution to be right though?The point was that men of action look for value before looking for rightness.

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With a thinking person they understand that all possible solutions have good and bad qualities.

And thus become paralysed and incapable of action.

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