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Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

 
 
farmerman
 
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Fri 16 Dec, 2005 01:52 pm
ohnono. It does seem unfair but I wonder whether someone , taking a nice leap by rewriting the sticker which contains a doctrinal atatement that, in science, a theory is a strong endorsement of the topic at hand.
It means that all data is for it and no data refutes it. Thats a theory sticker Id live with. It would present a sticker but the sticker would be a pyyrhic victory at least.
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ohnono
 
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Fri 16 Dec, 2005 02:31 pm
You know it probably doesn't even matter what stickers they put on books at the end of the day.
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blatham
 
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Fri 16 Dec, 2005 02:38 pm
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blatham looks dang good for his age.


Yes, he does.
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Thomas
 
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Fri 16 Dec, 2005 03:17 pm
spendius wrote:
Would you send a rescue team you were in charge of down a disused mineshaft to rescue a little black and white Scotty dog a video of which had been aired on the main news wagging it's tail and cocking its ears in happier days.

I think I still owe you an honest answer on this one, Spendius. So far, I have spotted three ethical questions in your story. 1) Is it ethical of me to impose a risk on humans to rescue a dog? 2) Is it ethical of the TV station to hype up the dog story in its news broadcast? 3) Given the answer to 2), is it ethical of me to cooperate with the TV station's effort? I will try to address these questions in turn.

First, is it ethical of me to put humans at risk to rescue the dog? Barring the answer to the next two questions, my answer is yes. By volunteering to be on the rescue team for the dog, everybody on the team is revealing that whatever he is getting out of the rescue is worth the risk to him. Perhaps we're in love with the furry little critter ourselves. Perhaps the TV viewers have donated an obscene amount of money to the rescue effort, and we're in it for the obscene amount of money. The precise terms of the rescue don't even matter. We voluntarily agreed to them, nobody gets hurt who didn't voluntariyl agree to anything, and proves that the rescue is doing more good than harm. Everything ethical so far.

But what about the TV station? Instead of devoting a 2-minute slot to an endangered dog, it could have filmed a starving family in Sudan and interested its viewers in their survival. Was it ethical to opt for the dog instead? My answer is no -- and economics says that saving the family is more efficient. It would have enhanced the family's, harmed the dog's, and made no difference to the TV audience. (This is a pessimistic assumption about the audience.) Hence, hyping up the dog story was unethical of the TV station.

Given the TV station's unethical conduct, is it unethical of me to cooperate with it? An economist would answer that it depends on the influence my refusal would have on the TV station's conduct. Perhaps it would report about the rescue of some dog somewhere else instead. In this case my refusal would make no practical difference to anybody's welfare, so it would be neither efficient nor inefficient. If the TV station would fall back on the Sudanese family instead, it would be economically efficient to refuse. In both cases, my ethical gut instinct agrees with that.

Overall, depending on circumstances, my cooperation might be ethical and efficient or unethical and inefficient. Either way it wouldn't be an awfully big deal in both dimensions. I cannot see how in this scenario, I could behave unethically but economically efficient, or ethically but economically inefficient. Quod erat demonstrandum.
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Thomas
 
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Fri 16 Dec, 2005 03:20 pm
blatham wrote:
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blatham looks dang good for his age.

Yes, he does.

He walks around the Central Park reservoir at a mean pace too. Must be the superb stairclimber he has in his house.
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spendius
 
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Fri 16 Dec, 2005 04:22 pm
Dear Thomas-

I began to titter somewhere along the 2nd line.This grew until I was tittering uncontrooooolably by the end of the first paragraph.So I took a break and straightened my self up but no sooner had I begun para 2 I was at it again but I persevered through the tears and the laughing,which broke through on the "pessimistic assumption" as though you thought it was a new type of assumption after what had gone on before.
I realised of course that the objective was to get the money and your fissog on all the news bulletins looking brave and sensitive and an ideal role model for the young and to feel that you had absolutely nothing to be ashamed of apart possibly from only giving the men a $50 bonus and trousering the rest.If the dog bites a kid the next day, having been traumatised by its ordeal,and it turns tragic you will be able to hold your head high and claim you had nothing to do with it.

All in all an excellent effort though.Precise and clear.Not much rigging of the conditions.
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blatham
 
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Sun 18 Dec, 2005 06:59 am
Under the heading of, "Where the rubber really meets the fukking road"


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wandeljw
 
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Sun 18 Dec, 2005 11:09 am
South Carolina is also now facing an anti-evolution controversy regarding their state education standards. Robert T. Dillon, a biology professor at Charleston College, has an editorial in today's issue of the Charleston Post-Courier:
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Is attack on science a sign of weak faith?
On Dec. 7, the nonprofit Fordham Foundation published a report ranking South Carolina's Science Academic Standards fourth best in the nation, lauding them as "a genuine effort to define science literacy K through 12."
On Dec. 12, our Education Oversight Committee, meeting in Columbia, voted to strip four of the seven indicators from High School Standard B-5 (biological evolution), gutting the life sciences curriculum in our secondary schools, compromising the entire document.
Leading the attack on science literacy in South Carolina was Sen. Mike Fair, R-Greenville. Fair offered substitute wording for the four stricken indicators, emphasizing intelligent design as an alternative explanation for the diversity of life on Earth. Intelligent design essentially argues that the development of life is so complicated that it had to be designed by an intelligent force. Fair called for a "balanced panel" to consider his proposals, presumably to include an equal number of scientists and nonscientists, as though a curriculum based on National Academy of Sciences guidelines could be amended by a simple majority of lawyers and insurance salesmen.
As a scientist, such foolish arrogance does not bother me. Evolution will proceed by natural selection regardless of the opinions of the senator from Bob Jones University and his allies. In fact, I eagerly anticipate the results of his future public opinion polls regarding the atomic theory and the theory of gravity.
As a citizen and member of my local school board, however, I am deeply concerned by the efforts of Fair and his political allies to force religion into the public schools through the science curriculum. The senator denies any religious motivation. But his ally, Sherri Few, co-founder of South Carolina Parents Involved in Education, has opined that "the theory of evolution does not align with most of the faiths in our state," and that "there are other credible science theories, such as intelligent design, that have clear scientific support."
Dilution of the public school curriculum in deference to "faiths in our state" would not only violate the First Amendment freedoms upon which this country was founded, but also sully Christ's church in the process.
And in the largest sense, as a Christian, I am profoundly disturbed by intelligent design, not just in Columbia but throughout the United States. The movement is symptomatic of a terrible weakness in the faith of the church universal.
Back in the good old days, in the time of Abraham, it was quite clear that God calls His people, not the other way around. Our forefathers understood that faith is a gift of God's free grace, unconditional, unmerited (lest we should boast) and irresistible. We remembered the assurance of our Lord Jesus Christ that no one can snatch His sheep from His hand. Christians who feel the love of God have a strong faith. We are not threatened by science.
More recently, in the last 300 years or so, a Christian sect has arisen to pridefully assert that man can, of his own free will, "take Jesus as his Savior." The faith of such a Christian is necessarily weak, since he relies not on God's grace, but on personal agency. And, in fact, the adjective "personal" often appears in the religious discourse of freewill Christians, although "self-centered" is more descriptive.
The faith of freewill Christians is reinforced by their personal interpretation of Scripture and an order they personally perceive in God's creation, and threatened by modern evolutionary science, which challenges both. It is toward a constituency of freewill Christians, weak in their faith, prideful and self-centered, that Fair and his allies pander.
If you sympathize with Fair, intelligent design or any similar movement to force religion into American government or the public schools, you are a Christian of weak faith. Your personal problem does not originate from, but is directly related to, the adjective. Turn your attention elsewhere.
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spendius
 
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Sun 18 Dec, 2005 02:09 pm
wande quoted-

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The movement is symptomatic of a terrible weakness in the faith of the church universal.


Yes.I agree with that.
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rosborne979
 
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Sun 18 Dec, 2005 04:02 pm
spendius wrote:
wande quoted-

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The movement is symptomatic of a terrible weakness in the faith of the church universal.


Yes. I agree with that.


Me too.
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timberlandko
 
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Sun 18 Dec, 2005 09:35 pm
That's one I'm good with too.
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farmerman
 
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Mon 19 Dec, 2005 06:54 am
I copped it and sent it forward to the Pa ed committee members that are watching Dover's outcome.

Judge Jones is currently scheduled to deliver his opinion Tuesday 20 December. Lets see what happens.
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wandeljw
 
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Mon 19 Dec, 2005 09:34 am
farmerman wrote:
Judge Jones is currently scheduled to deliver his opinion Tuesday 20 December. Lets see what happens.


For anyone who still needs it, link to the court's official website:

http://www.pamd.uscourts.gov/kitzmiller/kitzmiller.htm
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wandeljw
 
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Tue 20 Dec, 2005 10:00 am
139 PAGE OPINION FROM JUDGE JONES WAS JUST DELIVERED ON ABOVE WEBSITE
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wandeljw
 
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Tue 20 Dec, 2005 10:09 am
Judge Jones' conclusion:

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The proper application of both the endorsement and Lemon tests to the facts of this case makes it abundantly clear that the Board's ID policy violates the Establishment Clause. In making this determination, we have addressed the seminal question of whether ID is science. We have concluded that it is not, and moreover that ID cannot uncouple itself from its creationist, and thus religious, antecedents.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Tue 20 Dec, 2005 10:13 am
BBB
wandeljw wrote:
139 PAGE OPINION FROM JUDGE JONES WAS JUST DELIVERED ON ABOVE WEBSITE


The judge ruled that Intelligent Design shall NOT be taught in biology classes.

BBB
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spendius
 
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Tue 20 Dec, 2005 10:21 am
BBB-

According to your signature we should dispute the decision.
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Setanta
 
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Tue 20 Dec, 2005 10:23 am
We can do nothing to dispute the decision, as none of us are members of the federal judiciary.

However, in the spirit of Aunt Bee's signature line, we should all heap opprobrium upon the good Judge's devoted pate.
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wandeljw
 
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Tue 20 Dec, 2005 10:45 am
The following line from Judge Jones's decision was "ghost-written" by our own setanta:

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The breathtaking inanity of the Board's decision is evident when considered against the factual backdrop which has now been fully revealed through this trial.


Smile
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spendius
 
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Tue 20 Dec, 2005 11:09 am
And so,as if by magic,the absolution is given to the electorate and they can continue to pretend that it had nothing to do with them.
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