Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

When the Goths overran Rome the Roman Empire moved east to Constantinople and became the Byzantium Empire with Greek the lingua franca. With terrible Borgia scandals, the Catholic Church decided that a celibate priesthood was the way to avoid the scandals.

talk, The information you are sharing is quite interesting, but can you provide some internet resources where this information can be found?
As for the Popes challenging each other, I believe I read that someplace before.

I'm interested in 1) the Papal post was political (although it's still political today from what I understand), and 2) how celibacy came into being for the church.

Gee talk-

Is it really as simple as that?Were all those thousands of hours I have spent wading through the hundreds of wieghty tomes which represent maybe 1%,at most,of the information on this subject nothing but a complete waste of time and all I needed was to ask you and I would have it in one sweet,easy soundbite.

Did you have a toy soldier kit when you were younger?

I have rarely seen such vacuous, ill-informed pap presented as history . . . a tour de force, Talk, you have demonstrated an ignorance breathtaking in its scope . . .

A history of the "promise"of celibacy by Catholic clergy is presentedHERE

ci is technically correct , but its not a "majority position". I know a married Catholic Priest who had taken his orders after a career as a teacher. The other side of my family, Russian Orthodox all, cannot understand the Catholic Church's position on this

Tak 7200, I hope this "history" of yours wasnt taught by nuns. Its hard to deprogram stuff they taught us. But you are a bit incorrect in your understanding of church law. In reality "Its all about the money"

And money is what men create and women use as a mirror in which to gaze at themselves in ever increasing desperation.

And a married man,especially ones with daughters,is hardly in a position to do much about it unless he can take long periods of the hump backed nightie.

(Outer Limits theme music plays in background)

More like the Benny Hill theme tune when he was being chased by a gaggle of girls and a policeman a nurse and a doctor.

I knew something like that was coming!

I'd hate to disappoint . . .

He accused Lucrezia of INCEST with her father and her brothers, Cesare and Giovanni, the Second Duke of Gandia.

The Pope used the only valid argument for annulment, the non-consummation of the marriage, and he offered his son-in-law all of his daughter's dowry. The head of the Sforza family threatened to withdraw his protection if his nephew refused the Pope's offer. Giovanni Sforza had no choice, and signed a confession of impotence and the documents of annulment before witnesses.

So much for husband number one. He was actually quite fortunate to escape with his life.

During the bargaining over the divorce, Lucrezia retired to a nearby convent, her only communication with her father during her enforced stay being messages brought by a young chamberlain, Perotto. Six months later, pregnant from a liaison with Perotto, Lucrezia participated in a ceremony in which Vatican judges attested that she was intacta, that is, a virgin. Giovanni Sforza gave sworn testimony to this fact, and the divorce was pronounced "final."

Cesare, discovering his sister's pregnancy, was furious. He made a run at the young Perotto with drawn sword, stabbing him as he knelt before the papal throne, splashing Perotto's blood on his father. Perotto survived the attack, but was thrown into prison. A few days later, Burchard reported that Perotto "had fallen into the Tiber against his will." Six days later, Perotto's body was fished out of the river, along with that of Lucrezia's chambermaid, who, it was believed, had facilitated the affair.

The child from this liaison was born in secret, and, when he was finally recognized, was called the infans Romanus. He was named Giovanni, and is a somewhat mysterious figure in the Borgia history. This child did not surface until three years after his birth, when Alexander declared that he was indeed the infans Romanus, the child of Rome, and was the offspring of Cesare and an unknown woman. This first papal bull was followed by a second, which acknowledged that the child was the son of the pope himself, even though the pope would have been sixty-seven at the time of the child's conception. The purpose of the papal bulls was to give Alexander the excuse to name the young Giovanni the heir to the duchy of Nepi, a property important to the Borgia family. This subterfuge to legitimize the infans Romanus simply led people to assume that the boy was the child of Lucrezia and Alexander, or of Lucrezia and Cesare. The historian Potigliotti suggests that Lucrezia insisted on the two papal bulls because she didn't know which of her two lovers, her father or her brother, had actually fathered the child. Giovanni was passed from guardian to guardian, eventually ending up with Lucrezia in Ferrara as "her half brother." The unfortunate Giovanni never inherited his titles, and, after a lifetime of serving as a minor functionary in the courts of the Vatican and France, died relatively unknown in 1548. The rumor of incest as his origin was begun with Lucrezia's first husband's attack on his former in-laws, and has persisted to this day. It may be true, or it may be that he was the offspring of Lucrezia's indiscretion with Perotto.

I have put in BOLD to emphasize incest. The above text is from the link below.

BORGIA

There was a Schism in the Roman Catholic Church in 1378. The King of France being the most powerful King in Europe didn't like the Italian Pope so he elected one o fhis own. The Popes called each other the anti-Christ.

2 Popes

The Borgia Popes:

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Come on talk-

That's Sunday supplement stuff for the C3s.

I highlighted the last sentence because, once again, evolutionary theory is being singled out.

BADA BING. I hope the download version of the Dover case has the quoted sections of the two editions of "OF PANDAS AND PEOPLE" . It appears that theACLU was able to slip the editions into evidence with stipulations by both sides (duuuhh) . Apparently the word "Creation" was removed and replaced with Intelligent Design in the follow on editions.

That could invoke the 1987 USSC decision and make the judges job a whole lot easier.

Washington Irving's Ichabod Crane is claimed by Hofstadter to be the "dominant stereotype" of the American schoolmaster.

"The cognomen of Crane was not inapplicable to his person.He was tall,but exceedingly lank,with narrow shoulders,long arms and legs,hands that dangled a mile out of his sleeves,feet that might have served as shovels,and his whole frame most loosely hung together.His head was small.and flat at the top,with huge ears,large,green,glassy eyes,and a long,snip nose,so that it looked like a weather cock perched upon his spindle neck to tell which way the wind blew.To see him striding along the profile of a hill on a windy day,with his clothes bagging and fluttering about him,one might have mistaken him for the genius of Famine descending upon the earth or some scarecrow eloped from a cornfield."

Gee!

And I highlighted the "horror" sentence, just because you don't usually see the word "horror" used in a discussion of scientific standards.

rosborne,

It seems educators nationwide are now more aware of what is going on. The South Carolina "education oversight committee" is trying to imitate the tactics used in Kansas.

And it's about time.

ros-

From that arrogant remark anyone would think that the issue was cut and dried.I fear your underestimation of your opponents constitutes a liability to your own side's position.Thinking of them as fools can hardly be scientific and from an evolutionary perspective it is ridiculous.