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Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

 
 
farmerman
 
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Sat 24 Oct, 2015 07:22 am
@Leadfoot,
I never ask for "proof of god" from theists. Its a known entity who se being trades in faith. That is abundantly obvious.

However, those niceties go away whenever we discuss the scientific method. We proceed ahead in a naturalistic way because evidence seems to lead us that way , Its really quite a simple relationship. Evidence deniers are quite abundant and they seem to "bundle" their faith with ignoring some important masses of fact



Leadfoot
 
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Sat 24 Oct, 2015 07:32 am
@farmerman,
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However, those niceties go away whenever we discuss the scientific method. We proceed ahead in a naturalistic way because evidence seems to lead us that way
The scientific method works for me, leads to interesting things and made me wealthy but it never made me happy. Hope it does all those things for you.
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think rethink
 
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Sat 24 Oct, 2015 08:15 pm
@Frank Apisa,
hi bro,
how far would you take that design idea?

did he design a task "for us" ?

thanks
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Leadfoot
 
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Sun 25 Oct, 2015 05:20 am
Found an interesting application for Hawking's recent Black Hole theory about how no information is lost when anything falls into one. Many physicists are saying that all information is preserved at the quantum level. Gives a plausible explaination for how God could know every detail about existence, every hair on your head, every sparrow that flies, etc. Maybe God lives in a black hole...
Quehoniaomath
 
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Sun 25 Oct, 2015 12:53 pm
@Leadfoot,
But blackholes are non-existant!
MontereyJack
 
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Sun 25 Oct, 2015 01:44 pm
@Quehoniaomath,
Oh bullshit.
Quehoniaomath
 
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Mon 26 Oct, 2015 12:21 am
@MontereyJack,
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Oh bullshit


No, but why do you write this?
MontereyJack
 
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Mon 26 Oct, 2015 05:48 am
@Quehoniaomath,
Yes. Sheer blind denialism on your part.
wandeljw
 
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Mon 26 Oct, 2015 08:10 am
@Leadfoot,
Leadfoot wrote:

Found an interesting application for Hawking's recent Black Hole theory about how no information is lost when anything falls into one. Many physicists are saying that all information is preserved at the quantum level. Gives a plausible explaination for how God could know every detail about existence, every hair on your head, every sparrow that flies, etc. Maybe God lives in a black hole...


In contrast, seventeenth century mystic Jakob Boehme saw God as the abyss itself but gave God no characteristics other than that: "When I ponder, what God is, I then say: He is the One in contrast to the creature, as an eternal Nothing. He has neither a foundation, a beginning nor state; and is of naught, save only of Himself. He is the Will of the Abyss. He occupies neither space nor place. From eternity in eternity in Himself He comes to be. He is like or similar to nothing, and hath no particular place which He inhabits."

Anyway, my position on intelligent design is simply that science should be taught as science and religion should be taught as religion. Intelligent design should be taught as religion. Pretending to be scientific about intelligent design is ridiculous.
Leadfoot
 
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Mon 26 Oct, 2015 08:32 am
@wandeljw,
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Anyway, my position on intelligent design is simply that science should be taught as science and religion should be taught as religion. Intelligent design should be taught as religion. Pretending to be scientific about intelligent design is ridiculous.

I've never been an advocate of teaching intelligent design as either science or religion, because it is neither.

I just think the subject is fascinating when science inadvertently overlaps with my own theology. I didn't expect that to happen but I can't deny it when it does. In my personal experience, nothing in well proven science has ever contradicted my beliefs about God. Speculative theories by some scientists are another matter. When and if they are proven right I'll revisit that.

BTW, Hope you didn't think I was being literal about the black hole thing...
farmerman
 
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Mon 26 Oct, 2015 08:52 am
@Leadfoot,
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I've never been an advocate of teaching intelligent design as either science or religion, because it is neither.

Well youd be wrong . It IS religious in its structure since it relies upon the actions of a super intelligence as a GIVEN.

"The world is too complex and ordered to have arisen by chance"

Thats a statement from the main spokespeople of ID in the US today.. Its basically all theyve got in their toolbox.

Leadfoot
 
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Mon 26 Oct, 2015 09:05 am
@farmerman,
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Well youd be wrong . It IS religious in its structure since it relies upon the actions of a super intelligence as a GIVEN.

"The world is too complex and ordered to have arisen by chance"

Thats a statement from the main spokespeople of ID in the US today.. Its basically all theyve got in their toolbox.
Even though I might agree with that spokesman's statement (whoever it was), I don't give a fig what organization might use intelligent design terminology. I speak for no one but myself.

The same goes for my beliefs about God. I think I've made that clear many times.
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Tue 27 Oct, 2015 12:34 am
@MontereyJack,
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Yes. Sheer blind denialism on your part.


Really? But you can't explain how or why? interesting , to say the least.
Leadfoot
 
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Tue 27 Oct, 2015 04:44 am
@Quehoniaomath,
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Really? But you can't explain how or why? interesting , to say the least.
That would be like Alice refuting the charges from the Queen of Hearts. Hope you find your way out of the rabbit hole..
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FBM
 
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Tue 27 Oct, 2015 05:05 am
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/1503548_850498281638773_6566254600041103896_n.jpg
Leadfoot
 
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Tue 27 Oct, 2015 08:13 am
@FBM,
Who can argue with such convincing and scientific meme arguments?
FBM
 
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Tue 27 Oct, 2015 08:33 am
@Leadfoot,
By all means, prove it wrong and shower us with an abundance of evidence for your god hypothesis. It's not like this is the first time someone has asked, eh? Wink
Quehoniaomath
 
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Tue 27 Oct, 2015 10:11 am
@FBM,
HOW ABOUT EVIDENCE FOR EVOLUTION MATE????????????????
McGentrix
 
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Tue 27 Oct, 2015 10:35 am
@Quehoniaomath,
http://necsi.edu/projects/evolution/evidence/evidence_intro.html
Quehoniaomath
 
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Tue 27 Oct, 2015 10:41 am
@McGentrix,
Now the question becomes:

why would I blindly believe and accept that nonsense?
 

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