Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

@cicerone imposter,

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Frank wants others to refute what's impossible.

There is nothing impossible about it. If you can't rule out God you can't rule out intelligent design. The proposition is as simple as ABC and it is impossible to contradict it except by blurting and blurting only has traction for those who want it to have. Or need it to have. As you do.

That is why some of us avoid cruises and other events where tourists are shepherded from clip joint to clip joint by a C- list Fox News female carrying a--well--what else--a clipboard containing instructions on which string to pull and when.

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@spendius,

Since there is no proof of intelligent design, by scientific method or otherwise, it is no guess it does not exist.

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@farmerman,

That's just a clever way of demanding that only technically trained experts should be allowed to get near to power levers.

I must admit I understand the plight of the technical experts. They have delivered us all these goodies we have and we not only don't trust the fuckers but we think their leading lights are mad. The baddies I will not mention. The technology which enables the authorities to have a peek up all our arseholes might well be a good thing but not in the hands of its inventors and mechanical operators.

If a button is missing off your shirt do you demand that wifi sews another one of the same colour to replace it?

Why? What's the scientific reason for that? I don't think Einstein would have bothered about a thing like that and he often spoke of God.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

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Not sure of why you consider my statement to be nonsensical, Farmerman, but I suspect it is because you cannot refute it.

You've got it backwards, I cannot refute it because its nonsensical.As I said , its untestable and , unfalsifiable. Those are important concepts when one attempts to argue like a grownup.

There is nothing nonsensical about my statement:

IF there is the possibility of a GOD...there is the possibility of intelligent design.

NOTHING NONSENSICAL about that at all.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

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Yeah...according to you just about everything I say is "meaningless."

You can't even keep my challenges straight. "Everything?" You're off the deep end.

I am not off the deep end, ci.

Tell me what I have said recently that you do not consider meaningless. I will withdraw my comment if it appears you do find most of my comments to be meaningful.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Frank wants others to refute what's impossible. Nice position to be in, when he demands others to explain something he himself starts with "if."

IF there is the possibility of a GOD...there is the possibility of intelligent design.

Nothing impossible about that.

If you can refute it...refute it. If you cannot refute it...leave it be.

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Nonsensical and non-sequitur.

It's a feeble argument to exclude, for example the possibility, much more probable, of an intelligent design AND no god.

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

Frank's delusion is that these two concepts are linked. One could prove beyond a doubt that a deity exists, and it would have no bearing on, it would say nothing about whether or not any life form had ever been "intelligently designed." The concepts are not axiomatically linked. As i pointed out earlier, there are reputable scientists who believe that god exists, but who believe that life arose on this planet and achieved the complexity it displays as a result of the interaction of matter and energy. No special creations, no "intelligent design" needed.

IF there is the possibility a GOD exists...there is the possibility of intellegent design.

A GOD could certainly "design" what we call "evolution." In fact, if there is a GOD...that most likely is the way the GOD would do things.

But...some of the "we are logical" "we are scientific" people here are not especially logical nor especially scientific. If they were, they would simply concede that my statement is correct.

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@edgarblythe,

edgarblythe wrote:

Since there is no proof of intelligent design, by scientific method or otherwise, it is no guess it does not exist.

There is no reason to say that "what is happening" is not the intelligent design. You want to demand that "what is happening" (evolution) is not intelligently designed.

That is because you are not being particularly logical or scientific on this issue, Edgar.

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@farmerman,

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Frank's delusion is that these two concepts are linked. One could prove beyond a doubt that a deity exists, and it would have no bearing on, it would say nothing about whether or not any life form had ever been "intelligently designed." The concepts are not axiomatically linked. As i pointed out earlier, there are reputable scientists who believe that god exists, but who believe that life arose on this planet and achieved the complexity it displays as a result of the interaction of matter and energy. No special creations, no "intelligent design" needed.

I feel, fm, when I read things like that, some sort of compound of amusement and despair.

It has no bearing on the proposition that if you can't rule out God you can't rule out intelligent design. The assumption it contains that God washed His hands of it all once He started it going is only one of the many assumptions that it is possible to enjoy.

No reputable scientist would produce such an obvious and well known non sequitur as that. He would sound like a bloke who prefers lying in bed on Sunday morning to going to church and is trying to justify it in a social gathering in the Village Hall, not necessarily the Trumpington one, where all the key players resist such gross temptations of the flesh and have been cool towards him, and his new wife, even to the extent of black looks and frowns at such idiotic gabbling and chuntering.

He has moved into the much sought after village to get away from the angst driven hurly-burly of the infancy of scientific materialism to which he contributes on the other 4 1/2 days of the week in return for lavish emoluments and mentally refreshing breaks.

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@timur,

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It's a feeble argument to exclude, for example the possibility, much more probable, of an intelligent design AND no god.

I have been trying to tell them that for 10 years tim. And not only "much more probable". Certain. It happened.

The most amusing thing is that opposition to the intelligent design is an integral part of the design. How could it not be? These guys might be out trashing street furniture if not provided with opportunities to vent their spleen.

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@Frank Apisa,

Hey frank I'm still waiting for you to post to A2K that it is possible the moon is made of orange juice.

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@hingehead,

hingehead wrote:

Hey frank I'm still waiting for you to post to A2K that it is possible the moon is made of orange juice.

I see.

And how is that going, Hinge?

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@Frank Apisa,

Why is that most likely? For someone who struts around boasting about what you don't know, you seem to know an awful lot about the god you don't know exists. Your statement is "correct" only to the extent that one accepts that anything and everything is possible. There is no logical basis to assume that if there were a god, that god would have "intelligently designed" anything.

You have a very specific idea of what god would be, it there were a god. It makes a mockery of your claims to intellectual and moral superiority. For example, you obviously believe in a creator god, that you don't know exists. You also obviously believe that this creator god, that you don't know exists would use "intelligent design," or special creations.

For someone who brags about not knowing, you sure seem to know an awful lot.

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

Why is that most likely? For someone who struts around boasting about what you don't know, you seem to know an awful lot about the god you don't know exists. Your statement is "correct" only to the extent that one accepts that anything and everything is possible. There is no logical basis to assume that if there were a god, that god would have "intelligently designed" anything.

You have a very specific idea of what god would be, it there were a god. It makes a mockery of your claims to intellectual and moral superiority. For example, you obviously believe in a creator god, that you don't know exists. You also obviously believe that this creator god, that you don't know exists would use "intelligent design," or special creations.

For someone who brags about not knowing, you sure seem to know an awful lot.

Oh, I don't think so, Setanta.

What have I said that I know?

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

GOD could certainly "design" what we call "evolution." In fact, if there is a GOD...that most likely is the way the GOD would do things.

Apparently, you think you know that. Apparently, you think you know that if there were a god, it would be a creator god. That's made even more hilariously moronic by your statements a few months ago that if there were a god, it would be subject to the naturalistic laws of the universe.

You wouldn't know logic if it bit you in the ass.

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@timur,

timur wrote:

Nonsensical and non-sequitur.

It's a feeble argument to exclude, for example the possibility, much more probable, of an intelligent design AND no god.

Okay...there may be non-god designers of an intelligent design. The universe...especially the part that has "where humans are right now"...may be the product of non-gods...intelligently designing us to be where we are...via the methods we are discovering have got us here.

No need to call it nonsensical...or a non-sequitur.

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@Frank Apisa,

But of course that would not negate what I am acutally saying in my comment:

IF there is the possibility of a GOD...there is the possibility of intelligent design.

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
GOD could certainly "design" what we call "evolution." In fact, if there is a GOD...that most likely is the way the GOD would do things.

Apparently, you think you know that.

Really. Well, apparently I do not...and I will acknowledge that I do not.

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Apparently, you think you know that if there were a god, it would be a creator god.

Really. Well, apparently I do not...and I will acknowledge that I do not.

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That's made even more hilariously moronic by your statements a few months ago that if there were a god, it would be subject to the naturalistic laws of the universe.

I never said that, Setanta. What I did say was a variation on, "If there is a GOD...then that GOD is a part of what is natural." If there is a GOD...it is not supernatural...it is a part of nature.

IF there is a GOD.

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You wouldn't know logic if it bit you in the ass.

Ahhh...you are getting into your insult mode. I love when you do that, Jabba.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

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That's made even more hilariously moronic by your statements a few months ago that if there were a god, it would be subject to the naturalistic laws of the universe.

I never said that, Setanta. What I did say was a variation on, "If there is a GOD...then that GOD is a part of what is natural." If there is a GOD...it is not supernatural...it is a part of nature.

I'm OK with that interpretation of what you said. So here is something else which you know about this god, which you do not know exists. As i said, for someone who continually says he doesn't know, you seem to know an awful lot about the nature of the god which you do not know exists.

Pointing out that you don't employ logic is not an insult, it's just descriptive. You're funny, though, complaining about insults and then calling people disobliging names.

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