Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

@BillRM,

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One of the things so many opponents of "intelligent design" disregard (and for decent reasons, at times) is that it is possible there is a GOD...

An it possible that there is a tooth fairy and both god or gods and the tooth fairy have the same level of evidence for them IE zero.

Until and if there is some scientific evidence for there being a god or gods then intelligent design can not be consider under the rules of science.

Ahhh...the "rules of science!"

Do tell us about the rules of science, Bill...and why certain things "cannot be considered" because of those rules.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Do tell us about the rules of science, Bill...and why certain things "cannot be considered" because of those rules.

Google it using such key words as "scientific methods" Frank as no one should be able to get out of grade school let alone HS without an understanding of how science work and theories come to be out of testable hypothesis and if you do now know I do not feel like doing a job that should had been done in your educational career at or before the fourth grade.

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@BillRM,

Fourth grade? LOL Mr. Green

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@cicerone imposter,

What is LOL about it?

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@BillRM,

It's probably because we didn't study anything about science until 7th grade.

Social studies was a bit earlier, but I can't remember what grade we studied that "science."

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I graduated high school in 1953 (60 years ago).

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@cicerone imposter,

What time period are you talking about, as I remember that after Sputnik begin circling the globe and our attempts ended with one satellite beeping on the ground that scientific concepts was taught to some degree even at the fourth grade level.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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Do tell us about the rules of science, Bill...and why certain things "cannot be considered" because of those rules.

Google it using such key words as "scientific methods" Frank as no one should be able to get out of grade school let alone HS without an understanding of how science work and theories come to be out of testable hypothesis and if you do now know I do not feel like doing a job that should had been done in your educational career at or before the fourth grade.

I guess that means you will not be explaining "the rules of science" to us...or telling us why certain things ought not to be consider because of them.

I didn't think you would be doing so.

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@BillRM,

How do you test a hypothesis with anybody who ignores a question and a scientific one too?

Every hypothesis is true if its author doesn't answer questions about it. It's the route to the nut-house.

You break your own rules before you're off the ground. Anybody can trot out high sounding cliches as a claim to be scientific.

What scientific evidence have you for the existence of the USA other than it being a mental state which no instrument can define? Something conditioned which not everybody inside the USA shares. And which vanishes in sleep and in certain distracting situations. The objects studied by the limited science you are trying to talk about do not sleep and don't get distracted. They are all boring except to the specialist who studies one and those who attempt to claw cachet off them by tangentially alluding to them in conversation.

As soon as a scientist ceases to be an asshole he ceases to be a scientist.

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@spendius,

spendi, It's appalling that you have no concept of what science is all about. Try beginning with its definition. Shocked

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@Frank Apisa,

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But it is something that ought to be considered...at least by qualification.

It is/has been considered - trouble is you still have the problem of beginnings.

And thus far God's existence hasn't been testable, in fact leading experts on Godology insist that this is the whole point of God. That faith overrides evidence - which is pretty much the antithesis of science.

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@hingehead,

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That faith overrides evidence - which is pretty much the antithesis of science.

And the most materialistic and scientific society, China, has 20, ooo,000 surplus bachelors and the women have the whip hand. The one child policy has backfired because they have been selectively aborting females.

Maybe that's what you are all searching for eh? Saps wanted!!

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@spendius,

Nothing like women's rights to send a chap into a dizzying spiral of humiliation and degradation. The Dick van Dyke show demonstrated that a long time ago.

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@spendius,

Sorry I do not feel like being a teacher to someone who is claiming to be scientific illiterate!!!!!

I guess anyone who can support the so call intelligent design theory need to be illiterate in that area of human knowledge, however all such a poor person need to do is google the key words scientific methods to start repairing that short coming.

After all it is science and engineering/technology base on that science that allow the internet and the computers to run and access it so some grade school level of understanding seems not all that must to demand of all posters here.

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@cicerone imposter,

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spendi, It's appalling that you have no concept of what science is all about. Try beginning with its definition.

You try beginning with something of interest. Please do.

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@BillRM,

You should repair your own short comings Bill before you start ordering other to do so.

Science as a pretty frock is not science. It's posing.

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@spendius,

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You should repair your own short comings Bill before you start ordering other to do so.

Perhaps however none of my short comings had anything to do with being a scientific savage with no understanding of the technology I used everyday.

For example I can program a computer at the assembly level , and repair or build a computer from parts not just turn it on and log on.

To me the technology and science that surround all of us is not magic or may as well be magic.

Intelligent design theory is nonsense for anyone who have any understanding of science or even logic on it face and only fit to entertain illiterate scientific savages.

Hope I am not being too subtle in expressing my opinions on either Intelligent Design Theory or the people that would give it any credit.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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You should repair your own short comings Bill before you start ordering other to do so.

Perhaps however none of my short comings had anything to do with being a scientific savage with no understanding of the technology I used everyday.

For example I can program a computer at the assembly level , and repair or build a computer from parts not just turn it on and log on.

To me the technology and science that surround all of us is not magic or may as well be magic.

Intelligent design theory is nonsense for anyone who have any understanding of science or even logic on it face and only fit to entertain illiterate scientific savages.

Hope I am not being too subtle in expressing my opinions on either Intelligent Design Theory or the people that would give it any credit.

So, Bill, you are suggesting there is no possibility of a GOD existing.

How do you come by that using this scientific method of yours?

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@BillRM,

Have you got a problem with entertaining illiterate scientific savages? I assume you meant scientifically illiterate savages.

Do you know the likely outcome of 312 million people (minus a few) stuck between two oceans, a frozen waste and a bottleneck who have no entertainment? Even literate ones.

But now you have thought fit to mention technology we can perhaps make allowances for your unscientific bluster.

I know half a dozen blokes who are wizards with computers but not a one of them have a scientific bone in their bodies. Following manufacturer's instructions is not science.

I see you have passed over, again, the question you were asked about the stars and stripes. Scientists don't pass over questions Bill. They answer them or admit being baffled.

Dismissing religion with a snarl is the hallmark of a prejudiced goofball. And I know what the secret motive for it is.

And your posts on the Zimmerman thread are as unscientific as it gets. A real scientist cannot stop being a scientist for a moment although most of them can pretend to stop on certain occasions. Weddings for example.

What's your scientific attitude to weddings Bill? And funerals? Or beauty treatment plants for ladies? Movies? Professional sport? Sunday best? Breaking wind?

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@spendius,

Does the team think that the recent attacks on Christians in Pakistan, Syria, Kenya and Egypt have been, to some extent at least, emboldened by attacks on Christians in the west?

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@spendius,

Horseshit, spendi.

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