Tying up a few loose ends ...
I.
JamesMorrison wrote:I heard this morning and also in Tartarin's earlier post about Iraqis that have fled to Jordan now on their way back to "defend their country from American invaders". Since I have heard and seen this from 2 sources it has validity.
Why would these fellows do this? Are they just Patriotic? This might ring true if they had not fled their country to get away from Saddam, which they openly admit they did, but this is not the case. Why would you come back and actively seek to restore the very regime you fled?
What's the Deal with these guys?
Are these fellows just some poor smucks suffering from a severe case of information paucity or is there something else going on here? Is it the "Islam against the Christian/Zionist no matter what" thing? Anybody know their educational background?
If anyone has any info on this or comments please enlighten me.
I was reminded of this post when I read this, today:
The Independent wrote:Just as in Vietnam, too, the wise men in Washington may have underestimated the power of nationalism, even in support of as murderous a regime as Saddam Hussein's. Americans are proud of their patriotism (as nationalism is known here). At times they seem unable to understand other peoples may be stirred by similar feelings when they see their own country's flag, irrespective of who is ruling them.
I think there's the rub: "when they see their own country's flag, irrespective of who is ruling them". That these Iraqis fled from Saddam does not necessarily mean they are not patriotic, as you seem to suggest. Some refugees from any country would count among the most fervently patriotic of their people. We all too often presuppose that any refugee from a dictatorship is a liberal democrat; but he might well be an ardent nationalist, instead or as well. Someone who considered Saddam a shame to his country and his flag.
Someone like that wouldnt go back with "to restore Saddam's regime", for any price - but he would go back to fight for his country when it is invaded - no matter who it happend to be ruled by at the time. Some Russians deserted the Red Army when the Soviet Union was attacked - but many more rushed to fight in it, even when they had been personally victimised by Stalin's regime. I'm not much of a patriot so I can't really empathise, but I can see how it works.
In the meantime, we are to believe that those returning refugees are joined by thousands of volunteers from around the Arab world heading to fight a 'Jihad' against the crusading enemy. The war might yield the long-elusive Iraq/Al-Qaeda link yet.
II.
timberlandko wrote:Nowhere do I see any indication that a quick, easy, bloodless victory over an impotent enemy has been promised by The Real Players.
I would consider Richard Myers, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, a "Real Player". Not a whole lot of days ago he was talking of a "
short, sharp" conflict. Now he says: "
This is going to be a tough war, a tough slog yet."
III.
trespassers will wrote:I am neither happy nor unhappy about them. Al Jazeera is of no consequence to me.
I prefer an attitude along the lines you were claiming earlier, when you wrote:
trespassers will wrote:I have formed an opinion based on the available information and facts as I have read them. If you think that opinion is flawed, please point me to evidence you think will change my mind or prove me wrong.