Catholic Church Now Accepts Gays

Just to which participants in this discussion do you apply the label "Homophobic", BBB, and by what evidence?

I find it interesting you your self refer to " ... the genetic hormonal malfunction leading to the origin of homosexuality in the womb ... " while castigating those who object to homosexual practice. The sociological abhorrence of such is deeply ingrained within humankind's construct, as evidenced by the antiquity of canonical proscriptions - not all of which, BTW, stem from the Abrahamic mythopaeia. That there is a predominate genetic predisposition toward heterosexual practice mitigates powerfully - on a moral basis - against homosexual practice, no matter the etymology of the terms.

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Timber

timberlandko wrote:

Just to which participants in this discussion do you apply the label "Homophobic", BBB, and by what evidence?

I find it interesting you your self refer to " ... the genetic hormonal malfunction leading to the origin of homosexuality in the womb ... " while castigating those who object to homosexual practice. The sociological abhorrence of such is deeply ingrained within humankind's construct, as evidenced by the antiquity of canonical proscriptions - not all of which, BTW, stem from the Abrahamic mythopaeia. That there is a predominate genetic predisposition toward heterosexual practice mitigates powerfully - on a moral basis - against homosexual practice, no matter the etymology of the terms.

Oh yeah? Who says?

BBB

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Wolf_ODonnell wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
thunder_runner32 wrote:
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One's sexual orientation is immaterial; the point is chastity and celibacy. Whether heterosexual or homosexual, a priest is proscribed from sexual activity of any sort. That said, there are those of both persuasions who fail to observe the rules.

...and where does it say this?

Timber is correct!

The Bible...and Catholicism...does not condemn homosexuality.

It condemns homosexual behavior.

Big difference.

Frankly, I think they are full of shyt no matter which it is....but the fact is that it is the act that is being condemned....not the orientation.

Leviticus 18:22 is the most cited of all the Biblical quotes.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2018:22;&version=31;49;45;74;15;
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2018:22;&version=47;48;50;77;16;

All versions state that male homosexual behaviour is abominable.

1 Corinthians 6:9 is another passage that people like to use to point out that homosexuality is wrong.

In the 21st Century King James Version, all mentions of homosexual and homosexuality in that passage aren't there.

Just check out the variation in the wording of that passage:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%206:9;&version=50;53;65;31;49;

Not really sure of your point.

Are you agreeing with me?

If not....tell me why not.

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Sheeesh, one little comment about gays being prevalent in the Catholic Church and off everyone gets onto the-bible-says-this-that-about homosexuality.

The original comment for this thread was: Catholic Church Now Accepts Gays

I am not a Catholic but have been alive and well, reading and listening, over the past several years and realize that many priests are gay, with church officals very much aware. So, I figure the officials of the Catholic church have nothing whatever against "gays."

I DID NOT say, for God's sake, or make any opinion, about those who swear celibacy and fail in whatever capacity. Just that they (gays) do serve out a career as priests within this particular church where someone else suggested they are just now accepted. Obviously they have always been accepted.

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Frank Apisa wrote:

Wolf_ODonnell wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
thunder_runner32 wrote:
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One's sexual orientation is immaterial; the point is chastity and celibacy. Whether heterosexual or homosexual, a priest is proscribed from sexual activity of any sort. That said, there are those of both persuasions who fail to observe the rules.

...and where does it say this?

Timber is correct!

The Bible...and Catholicism...does not condemn homosexuality.

It condemns homosexual behavior.

Big difference.

Frankly, I think they are full of shyt no matter which it is....but the fact is that it is the act that is being condemned....not the orientation.

Leviticus 18:22 is the most cited of all the Biblical quotes.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2018:22;&version=31;49;45;74;15;
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2018:22;&version=47;48;50;77;16;

All versions state that male homosexual behaviour is abominable.

1 Corinthians 6:9 is another passage that people like to use to point out that homosexuality is wrong.

In the 21st Century King James Version, all mentions of homosexual and homosexuality in that passage aren't there.

Just check out the variation in the wording of that passage:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%206:9;&version=50;53;65;31;49;

Not really sure of your point.

Are you agreeing with me?

If not....tell me why not.

I'm not really taking any stance. I'm just pointing things out, like how one passage can have so many differenet permutations that more or less say the same thing but may have additional bits or can be intepreted differently.

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Wasn't the embracement of homosexuality one of the main players in the downfall of Rome?

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thunder_runner32 wrote:

Wasn't the embracement of homosexuality one of the main players in the downfall of Rome?

No actually.

One of the main players in the downfall of Rome was the embracement of Christianity.

Rome thrived and was the most powerful nation on the planet while it was at its most depraved. It dominated its world in ways that almost no other nation has dominated. And that went on for over 500 years.

Then along came Christianity....and within a few decades...Rome essentially ceased to exist as a power.

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No, I'm pretty sure Rome's downfall was due to immorality.

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thunder_runner32 wrote:

No, I'm pretty sure Rome's downfall was due to immorality.

That is because you are blind.

While Rome was at its most "immoral" (in your opinion) IT WAS THE MOST POWERFUL NATION ON THE PLANET.

And this went on for 500 years.

That is history....not a piece of obvious fiction like the Bible you seem to adore.

And Romes end came only after it adopted Christianity as it religion.

As Casey Stengel would tell you: Ya can look it up!

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Gotta say Frank's on the point there. A clearer graph correlation may not be found than that which depicts the contemporaneous rise of Christianity and decline of the Roman Empire.

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http://killeenroos.com/1/Romefall.htm#Christianity

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thunder_runner32 wrote:

http://killeenroos.com/1/Romefall.htm#Christianity

BOTTOM LINE: For 500 years...Rome was the most powerful nation on the face of the planet. And during that time, it was alive with slavery, debauchry, homosexuality, prostitution, pornography, children sex, gladitorial games, and damn near every depraved act or condition imaginable.

FOR 500 YEARS!

Then Christianity gained a foothold in the empire...and brought civilization and morality to it.

And within a decade or two....the empire had fallen never again to rise.

To blame Romes fall on its lose morality is so goddam stupid, it really doesn't make much sense to deal with it. Only pure blindness would allow anyone to advocate such an argument.

Perhaps Christianity did not cause the fall of Rome....but one hell of a lot better case could be made for that being its cause than lose morality.

Wake up, Thunder. Using your brain is not going to hurt you....and it will do no harm to your brain.

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BOTTOM LINE: the slow gradual decay of morals was the reason. Did you actually read the link I posted, or did you just assume what was in it?

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Wake up, Thunder. Using your brain is not going to hurt you....and it will do no harm to your brain.

I DIDN'T USE MY BRAIN??!?! Just about one minute ago, you just tried to convince me that the fall of Rome was due to Christianity, don't even try to tell me that, you hypocrit!

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thunder_runner32 wrote:

BOTTOM LINE: the slow gradual decay of morals was the reason. Did you actually read the link I posted, or did you just assume what was in it?

I read the link....and you have managed to find one person who agrees with you.

But the entire of history argues against his thesis!

Wake up!

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Wake up, Thunder. Using your brain is not going to hurt you....and it will do no harm to your brain.

I DIDN'T USE MY BRAIN??!?!

Now you've got it!

Yes....you are not using your brain.

Well...in a way, I guess you are using it....but not very effectively.

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Just about one minute ago, you just tried to convince me that the fall of Rome was due to Christianity, don't even try to tell me that, you hypocrit!

This sentence makes no sense. Sounds like you've thrown a cog.

Try to relax. Take a deep breath.

You'll feel better.

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Frank, just because you disagree with me, doesn't mean I am using less of my brain. <thunder takes a deep breath> What we have here is a failure to communicate...couldn't resist.

O.K, what do you mean the entire of history goes against his thesis?

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thunder_runner32 wrote:

Frank, just because you disagree with me, doesn't mean I am using less of my brain. <thunder takes a deep breath> What we have here is a failure to communicate...couldn't resist.

O.K, what do you mean the entire of history goes against his thesis?

Timber pointed it out.

And I have pointed it out.

Rome was filled with what you would call "immorality" during its strongest period of existence.

For over 500 years Rome was what Christians would call....IMMORAL....with capital letters. At times, it was absolutely depraved.

AND IT WAS ALL-POWERFUL IN ITS WORLD.

Christianity took root....and the empire fell apart.

Now...I am not truly making the case that the empire fell because of Christianity.

The causes of the fall of Rome were very complicated.

But the absurdity of folks like you asserting that the fall was caused by poor morals is absolutely ludicrous based on the historical facts we have at our disposal.

When Rome was at its most debauched....it was also at the peak of its power.

And the fact of the matter is that it did not fall until after Christianity gained a foothold.

It might also be noted that the ascendency of Christianity had another effect that can easily be observed by any student of history.

Christianity essentially became a major player at about 350 AD.

Starting at that time....and continuing on for another 800 years, western civilization, which had up to that time been constantly progressing in areas like science, art, architecture, government, and the like...

...took one of the most amazing nosedives ever recorded in history.

The first 1000 years after Christianity began to influence life on this planet is now referred to as The Dark Ages.

Coincidence?

Only to the blind.

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Look at America, we are at the height of our power, yet with our loose morals, it is not farfetched or hard to see America going down the drain. America's only true enemy is itself.

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thunder_runner32 wrote:

Look at America, we are at the height of our power, yet with our loose morals, it is not farfetched or hard to see America going down the drain. America's only true enemy is itself.

Yeah....since the conservatives and the Christian fundamentalists came into greater power....we have started a slide downhill.

But what does that have to do with the discussion in which we were engaged?

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No, since American society has chosen more liberal laws. It deals with the discussion because I'm trying to show that countries can decay from poor moral choices.

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Actually america was based from it's initial existence on the near geocide of the original occupants and ten grew strong on the backs of the institution of slavery. And continued to prosper on economic slavery. we are yet a barberic society that continues to practice govenment sactioned murder, and is responsible for the death of many people under false pretexts for going to war.Many peolpe of color in other countries, and here, plus poor whites have been killed to fill the pockets of the powers that be in this morally depraved country.

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