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Frist Set to Use Religious Stage on Judicial Issue

 
 
McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 26 Apr, 2005 05:45 pm
Debra_Law wrote:
(That's why we're the laughing stock of the world.)


I thought that was the French.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 26 Apr, 2005 05:48 pm
I often think of snake handlers as comical. Are there snake handlers in France?
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Tue 26 Apr, 2005 09:22 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Debra_Law wrote:
(That's why we're the laughing stock of the world.)


I thought that was the French.


looks like we've managed to pass them up with this circus...
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2005 06:34 am
McGentrix wrote:
Debra_Law wrote:
(That's why we're the laughing stock of the world.)


I thought that was the French.


The American conservative mind is amazing. Back when "the world" was laughing at their attempts to villify Bill Clinton...and showing in poll after poll that Clinton was very, very popular throughout the world...

...they claimed we were being made the laughing stock by Bill Clinton.

Now...when poll after poll shows America being considered the laughing stock under Bush...

...they claim it is not so.


Boy...you really gotta be willing to suspend reality in order to be an American conservative.
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au1929
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2005 08:23 am
  
 


To the dismay of many mainstream religious leaders, the U.S. Senate majority leader, Bill Frist, participated in a weekend telecast organized by conservative Christian groups to smear Democrats as enemies of "people of faith." Besides listening to Frist's videotaped speech, viewers heard a speaker call the Supreme Court a despotic oligarchy.  
Meanwhile, the House majority leader, Tom DeLay, has threatened the judiciary for not following the regressive social agenda he shares with the far-right fundamentalists controlling his party. 
Apart from confirming an unwholesome disrespect for traditional American values, like checks and balances, the assault on judges is part of a wide-ranging and successful Republican campaign to breach the wall between church and state to advance a particular brand of religion. No theoretical exercise, the program is having a corrosive effect on policy-making and the lives of Americans. 
The centerpiece is President George W. Bush's so-called faith-based initiative, which disregards decades of First Amendment law and civil rights protections. Bush promised that federal money would not be used to support religious activities directly, but it is. The program has channeled billions of taxpayer dollars to churches and other religion-based providers of social services under legally questionable rules that allow plenty of room for proselytizing and imposing religious tests on hiring. The initiative even provides taxpayer money to build and renovate houses of worship that are also used for social services.
Offices in the White House and federal departments pump public money to religious groups, but provide scant oversight or accountability to make sure that the money is spent on real services, not preaching. Indeed, Bush's goal is to finance programs that are explicitly religious.
A recent want ad posted by a taxpayer-financed vocational program for inmates in a Pennsylvania jail, Firm Foundation, stipulated that a job seeker must be "a believer in Christ and Christian Life today" and that the workday "will start with a short prayer." A major portion of inmates' time is spent on religious lectures and prayer, according to a lawsuit filed by two civil liberties groups.
The Bush administration and Congress have turned over issues bearing on women's reproductive rights to far-right religious groups opposed not just to abortion, but to expanded stem-cell research, effective birth control and AIDS prevention programs. The Food and Drug Administration continues to dawdle over approving over-the-counter access to emergency contraception for fear of inflaming members of the religious right who deem any interference with the implantation of a fertilized egg to be an abortion. This foot-dragging may be good politics from one narrow view, but it harms women and drives up the nation's abortion rate.
The result of this open espousal of one religious view is a censorious climate in which a growing number of pharmacists feel free to claim moral grounds for refusing to dispense emergency contraception and even birth control pills prescribed by a doctor.
Public schools shy away from teaching about evolution, and science museums reject scientifically sound documentaries that may offend Christian fundamentalists. Public television stations were afraid to run a children's program in which a cartoon bunny met a lesbian couple.
In a recent Op-Ed article in The New York Times and the International Herald Tribune, John Danforth, the former Republican senator and UN ambassador who is also a minister, said his party was becoming a political arm of the religious right. He called it a formula for divisiveness that ultimately threatened the party's future.
With the nation lurching toward the government sponsorship of religion, and the Senate nearing a showdown over Bush's egregious judicial nominees, it is a warning well worth heeding.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2005 03:22 pm
A REQUEST:


Listen...

...some people are having a cyber election of sorts (for president of A2K)...and I have decided to run for the office.

Apparently it is entirely ceremonial...since Craven owns the site and he is gonna be the big cheese no matter what happens in this cockamamie election.

In any case...it appears some procedural meneuvers are taking place that may (MAY) prevent me from appearing on the ballot. I get the feeling that a minimum number of primary votes will be needed to make the final list of names.

I understand that occasionally I get passionate...and throw some shyt at some of the people to whom I am addressing this request...but, if you ever intend to get elected to anything...you gotta have desire and balls.

And "balls"...I've got in abundance.

So...even if you hate the thought of seeing my avatar in a thread in which you are a participant...I would appreciate you taking time to visit the thread linked below...and casting a vote for my name.

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=50016&start=100


YOU WILL NOT BE VOTING FOR ME...because the election is not even scheduled (as far as I know) yet...and this is like a primary to see who will make it to the final ballot.

You might hold your nose if necessary to do it...with the thought in mind that you could come to the actual election; vote against me; and hope for a humiliating landslide in someone else's favor.

Thank you for at least considering my request.
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2005 05:06 pm
Frank Apisa wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
Debra_Law wrote:
(That's why we're the laughing stock of the world.)


I thought that was the French.


The American conservative mind is amazing. Back when "the world" was laughing at their attempts to villify Bill Clinton...and showing in poll after poll that Clinton was very, very popular throughout the world...

...they claimed we were being made the laughing stock by Bill Clinton.

Now...when poll after poll shows America being considered the laughing stock under Bush...

...they claim it is not so.


Boy...you really gotta be willing to suspend reality in order to be an American conservative.


I'm beginning to wonder if it's truly a willingness to suspend reality in order to be an American conservative, or a willingness to sell one's soul.

Take American cerservative, George Wallace, as an example:

Quote:
By the time Wallace was thirteen years old, he was obsessed with the political process, says Carter. "He lived politics, he ate politics, he absorbed it."

. . . In 1952 Wallace was elected a circuit court judge in Clayton. Civil rights attorney J. L. Chestnut remembers those days, recalling that Wallace was the first judge to refer to him, a black man, as "Mr. Chestnut."

"Wallace was for the underdog," says Chestnut. . . .

But something changed dramatically in Wallace's public persona after his first election defeat. When Wallace launched his first campaign for governor in 1958, the Civil Rights Movement was heating up throughout the South, and many white Alabama voters felt they were under siege.

During his campaign, Wallace had tried to find some middle ground. Though he supported segregation, he remained moderate enough to win NAACP support. He spoke against the Ku Klux Klan and tried to continue with the principles of Jim Folsom: championing the poor, the underdog. His opponent, John Patterson, ran an openly racist campaign that played into the fears of white Southerners. Patterson swept into office, and Wallace was devastated.

"Wallace, with his keen political antenna, understood immediately why he had lost," says Chestnut. "And I think that he decided at that point that he would exploit race to the extent that he considered necessary to win." In making that decision, Wallace "made a Faustian bargain," says Richard Jenkins of the Alabama Journal. "The one-time progressive decided to sell his soul for the governorship."

One of the particularly insightful comments in the film comes from Seymore Trammell, Wallace's former finance director. Trammell recalls a talk with Wallace after the defeat: "He said, 'Seymore, do you know why I lost that governor's race?' I said, 'I'm not sure, Judge. What do you think?' He said, 'Seymore, I was out-niggered by John Patterson. And I'll tell you here and now, I will never be out-niggered again.'"

From then on, Wallace's platform became the politics of race--against integration and against black voter registration.


Source

George Wallace became the typical conservative politician. They allow their ambitions to exploit issues of fear and hate . . . they figuratively sell their souls to win the votes of the fear and hate-mongers.

Eventually, however, their extremism causes the pendulum to swing in the opposite direction. See, e.g.:

Quote:
Wallace's rhetoric fueled racist fire, with violent and deadly consequences. Three months after his University of Alabama stance, four children were killed by a bomb planted by Klansmen at Birmingham's 16th Street Baptist Church. Civil rights leader Martin Luther King stated, "The murders of yesterday stand as blood on the hands of Governor Wallace."

"When four little girls are killed, of course, he didn't want that to happen," says Carter in the film, "but you can't get away from the consequences of your action. It's not what he intended that, in the last analysis, is important. It's that reckless disregard he showed that led to these events."

In 1965, six hundred predominantly black civil rights activists set out from Selma to the state capital in Montgomery, fifty miles away, to make voter registration a national issue. Wallace issued an order to stop the march. When the marchers arrived at the Edmund Pettus Bridge at the edge of Montgomery, they found state troopers waiting with sticks, bullwhips, and tear gas. The beatings that followed were seen on television by a horrified national audience. Within days, President Johnson asked Congress to pass the most comprehensive voting rights bill in the nation's history.

"By making the issue of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and particularly the Voting Rights Act of 1965, his politics and his opposition to it, in effect, helped those bills pass," says Jenkins. "They could be called the Wallace Acts of 1964 and '65."


In this country today, we are seeing the rippling, unsavory effects of having the Republican Party in power. We are observing the extremism and we're not liking what we see. Instead of lynching the homosexuals and the so-called "activist judges," the American conservatives are hanging themselves.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2005 07:31 pm
let 'em.

i understand that it's good to have more than one viewpoint in government. but the heavy handed extremism of the hard right (and the hard left for that matter ) is just getting us nowhere. instead of making progress, we seem to be spending all of our time on issues that were hashed out decades ago. just wastin' time...
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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2005 06:39 am
Have you guys noticed that you're preaching to the choir? The loonies have left the building.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 29 Apr, 2005 11:36 am
JTT wrote:
Have you guys noticed that you're preaching to the choir? The loonies have left the building.



Don't let 'em fool ya. They sneak back an peek.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Fri 29 Apr, 2005 11:48 am
Laughing
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fribbley
 
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Reply Fri 29 Apr, 2005 07:59 pm
Re: Frist Set to Use Religious Stage on Judicial Issue
au1929 wrote:

Divisiveness is what the republicans are selling. Playing one segment of the population against the other. That is a dangerous game and what oppression and revolution lives upon. Dictators come to power using that tactic. Divide and conquer. Is that what you want or shoud expect from your government leaders. That they act like, and I will go out on the limb. religious Nazi's

NAZIS!!! My my!
A newbie pats one of Skinner's DU wayward flock!
This is my first post, and I feel completely confident patting you (au1929) on the top of your head and whispering 'there-there' in your dumb-head. DU is truly for DUmmies. I thought this was supposed to be a place where intelligent people could debate the issues and ideas of the day without having to suffer the idiocy of DUers....
au1929, you have NO credibility...everyone's patting you on the head.
Link the Nazis with modern American politics of left or right, and I might cut you some slack... but you don't deserve any.
Your arguments are idiotic, and it's up to the Left to defend their assertions that Conservatism=Naziism.
Leftism/Liberalism is far more conducive to Naziism than our Constitution.
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fribbley
 
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Reply Fri 29 Apr, 2005 08:23 pm
Re: Frist Set to Use Religious Stage on Judicial Issue
fribbley wrote:
au1929 wrote:

Divisiveness is what the republicans are selling. Playing one segment of the population against the other. That is a dangerous game and what oppression and revolution lives upon. Dictators come to power using that tactic. Divide and conquer. Is that what you want or shoud expect from your government leaders. That they act like, and I will go out on the limb. religious Nazi's

NAZIS!!! My my!
A newbie pats one of Skinner's DU wayward flock!
This is my first post, and I feel completely confident patting you (au1929) on the top of your head and whispering 'there-there' in your dumb-head. DU is truly for DUmmies. I thought this was supposed to be a place where intelligent people could debate the issues and ideas of the day without having to suffer the idiocy of DUers....
au1929, you have NO credibility...everyone's patting you on the head.
Link the Nazis with modern American politics of left or right, and I might cut you some slack... but you don't deserve any.
Your arguments are idiotic, and it's up to the Left to defend their assertions that Conservatism=Naziism.
Leftism/Liberalism is far more conducive to Naziism than our Constitution.

As a matter of Fact, I'd like all the liberals to demonstrate how their vision of government doesn't differ from communism or Naziism?
Does a Lefty government leave any freedom whatsoever?
I doubt it...
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kuvasz
 
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Reply Fri 29 Apr, 2005 09:57 pm
Re: Frist Set to Use Religious Stage on Judicial Issue
oh, yum yum. just what the doctor ordered.


fribbley wrote:
au1929 wrote:

Divisiveness is what the republicans are selling. Playing one segment of the population against the other. That is a dangerous game and what oppression and revolution lives upon. Dictators come to power using that tactic. Divide and conquer. Is that what you want or shoud expect from your government leaders. That they act like, and I will go out on the limb. religious Nazi's

NAZIS!!! My my!
A newbie pats one of Skinner's DU wayward flock!
This is my first post, and I feel completely confident patting you (au1929) on the top of your head and whispering 'there-there' in your dumb-head. DU is truly for DUmmies. I thought this was supposed to be a place where intelligent people could debate the issues and ideas of the day without having to suffer the idiocy of DUers....
au1929, you have NO credibility...everyone's patting you on the head.
Link the Nazis with modern American politics of left or right, and I might cut you some slack... but you don't deserve any.
Your arguments are idiotic, and it's up to the Left to defend their assertions that Conservatism=Naziism.
Leftism/Liberalism is far more conducive to Naziism than our Constitution.


When the Right accuses liberals of "fascism," it almost always does so in an effort to obscure its own fascist proclivities -- and it reminds the rest of us just whose footsoldiers are in reality merrily goosestepping down the national garden path.

I have seen some really outrageous stuff from you right wing $hit bags on this site these last few months but your attempt to paint Nazis with the brush of socialism due to the name of their political party takes the cake and is disgraceful, not only for the fundamental distortion of Nazi political and economical positions but more as an attempt by you to cast its evil as a natural extension of socialism, and thus positioning you at God's right hand against the scourge of collective citizen action in the economic and political arena

Only morons consider Hitler a socialist (totally misunderstanding that the name National Socialist Workers Party had little to do with socialism or "leftist" political thought)… forgetting or perhaps never even knowing that one of the first things Hitler did when he took power was jail both the communists and socialists. From your viewpoint, even that old 19th century reactionary Otto von Bismarck was also a socialist because he proposed the first social security laws for old people (actually a deceitful thing, for a quick check of the actuary tables of the Prussian people in the late 1800's showed that few ever lived to the age of 65).

But the logic of your agenda is clear, regardless of its faulty reasoning, sophism, or lack of confirmation to or with objective reality. You wish to describe anyone that believes in the collective power of the citizenry as "leftist" and declare it alien to the American spirit, whatever that is.

Most likely, your idea of America is a Hitlerian wet dream with a Madison Avenue mask.

To the details and the examples:

"Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

Hermann Goering

Sounds like your beloved Reich Marshall was prescient about the Bushevik lies about Iraq.

So, I guess that counts as one link between Conservatism (in America today more aptly defined as Reaganism) and Nazism

So there is the link you call for connecting Nazism with what you so generously refer to as "Conservatism."

Shall we try another? You know, actually Hitler was against abortion. Did that make him a liberal or conservative?

Perhaps another?

While the very name of the Nazis, viz., National Socialist Workers Party proclaims it as socialist, Hitler was vague indeed on the type of "socialism" he envisaged for Germany.

His view on "socialism," stated in a speech he gave on July 28, 1922:



"Adolph Hitler Reden," p.32, quoted by Bullock

That sounds like good old American-style patriotism with a conservative twist, not liberalism

There was no Bolshevik or socialist attempt at revolution in the winter of 1933, regardless of the efforts of Goering and von Papen to incite one in the press. By February of that year, Hitler had banned all communist meetings and had shut down the communist press. Social democratic rallies were banned or disrupted, and within weeks all socialist newspapers were shut down as well. Socialism, as an economic political philosophy of redistribution of national wealth as is generally considered by reasonable persons was dead in the Third Reich

The major industrialists in Germany backed Hitler and from these he drew his funding to act as a counterbalance against the communists and socialists. To even venture to call Hitler a socialist is nonsense, becoming of a person whose bowels inhabit his brain, and their expression subsequent thought.

Actually, since you appear as nothing more but another in a long line of ignorant freepers who wandered on to this site, you might want to educate yourself about what are the differences between the economic and political systems you threw together like a 3 year old finger painting.

You don't seem to be the sharpest pencil in the box, (Freepers never are) and as not to take unfair advantage of your now illustrated intellectual capabilities, how about you define your terms for nazism, liberalism, conservatism, and communism, so you don't get all confused and flustered, this being you're new here.

Start a thread big guy, called "communism, socialism, liberalism, and fascism; what are they" and why don't you define them for the rest of us. I can assure you that whatever you post will be served right back at you and down your freeper throat.

Pick up the gauntlet Mr. Freeper, after all, in your bizarre universe only liberals are cowardly pussies.
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 29 Apr, 2005 11:59 pm
Whoaaa,

The forrrrum is alllive with the sooound of deeebate.

[to the tune of The Sound of Music]

Rather apropos given the Nazi link.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sat 30 Apr, 2005 01:19 am
wow, kuvasz. i'm pretty impressed. not only did you deliver an excellent response, but yo were actually able to decipher what ever the hell that mish mash was about.

frankly, i was confused by "skinner's du" and gave up at "dumb-head".

but what's his name did have one point. the religious right extremists aren't really like nazis. they're more like the taliban.

it's the hard right neo-con types that bear more resemblance to the nazi crowd.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 30 Apr, 2005 04:18 am
Good stuff, Kuvasz...

...but don't expect to get through to Fribbley.

He (or she) is so into fantasy, I doubt he will allow any reality to intrude.

Where do they come from???

How can they be made to see what a cesspool American conservativsm is?
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au1929
 
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Reply Sat 30 Apr, 2005 07:25 am
kuvasz
Far better than I would have responded. :wink:
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au1929
 
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Reply Sat 30 Apr, 2005 07:43 am
fribbley
This may have been your first post on this forum. Hopefully, before your next one you will have managed to pull your head out of your a$$hole.

The republicans and Bush are attempting to control the judiciary inorder that there be no legal obstacle to the passage of their agenda. That mirrors the action of the Nazi party in Germany does it not.
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tony2481
 
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Reply Sun 1 May, 2005 01:00 am
The difference being in America the ability of the people to change course. That is, unless the liberals take everyone's guns.
Why do people these days clump conservatives together as old testament extremest nasis, followed quickly by their comparison of christians to bin laden. It is possible for a person to believe abortion to be wrong for reasons other than their preacher saying so, just as one would assume that some liberals do not believe culpability is determined by financial standing.
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