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Trump admits he punked his supporters on Mexico paying for the wall.

 
 
Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 01:44 pm
Trump admits he punked his supporters on Mexico paying for the wall.


Published August 3, 2017
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The Post's Greg Miller has obtained transcripts of President Trump's calls with the heads of Mexico and Australia during his first days in office, and they are both doozies.

One big takeaway is that Trump seems to acknowledge exactly what his pledge to make Mexico pay for the border wall was — a hollow promise meant to rile up the base.

At one point in his call with Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto, Trump even acknowledges that the wall is “the least important thing we are talking about, but politically this might be the most important.”

You hear that, Trump supporters? That applause line that Trump used with such gusto for basically his entire campaign — “Build that wall,” and “Who's going to pay for it? (Crowd response: MEXICO!)"? It was all vote-bait, red meat for voters who didn't know that it was completely impractical and would never happen. And within his first days in office — this call took place on Jan. 27, a week after Trump's inauguration — Trump was already throwing in the towel on it on a call with the Mexican president.

Trump was instead hoping people could be made to forget this “least important” issue and wouldn't punish him politically for it.

Trump spent much of his call with Pena Nieto just trying to convince him to stop talking about how Mexico would not pay for the wall. Trump even suggested he would fudge it in the end so that both sides could claim they didn't give in.

“We should both say, ‘We will work it out.’ It will work out in the formula somehow,” Trump said. “As opposed to you saying, ‘We will not pay,’ and me saying, ‘We will not pay.’ ”

Pena Nieto said Trump's promise had put a “very big mark on our back” and “is an issue related to the dignity of Mexico and goes to the national pride of my country.” Trump's response to all of that was basically: Okay, well let's just stop talking about it publicly.

“But you cannot say that to the press,” Trump said. “The press is going to go with that, and I cannot live with that.”

Trump's promise to make Mexico pay for the wall stands out as perhaps both his biggest applause line and his most implausible policy idea on the 2016 campaign trail. The idea that Mexico would fund a wall built to prevent its own people from illegally crossing into the United States can't help but rub the Mexican people and Pena Nieto the wrong way. And it made Pena Nieto's appearance with Trump during the 2016 campaign a big political liability back home.

That meeting provided the first indication that Trump's border-wall promises would be problematic as president. Trump and Pena Nieto's office engaged in a public war of words over whether the wall was even discussed at their meeting.

It's little surprise to keen political observers that Mexico paying for the border wall was never actually going to happen. Hearing Trump basically acknowledge that fact and concede he pulled the wool over his supporters' eyes, just seven days into his presidency, is pretty remarkable.

Trump's supporters insist he's kept his promises thus far. Here's a good example of what he really thinks of one of his biggest promises.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/08/03/trump-admits-he-punked-his-supporters-on-mexico-paying-for-the-wall/?utm_term=.a12e6e7ee1ab
 
revelette1
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 03:14 pm
Now apparently they believe the wall pay for itself because Trump said immigrants are bad for the economy.


According to most experts, it is not true.

Quote:
One of President Donald Trump’s main arguments for his “zero tolerance” immigration policy is that immigrants are bad for the economy and cost U.S. citizens jobs.

Is he right?

Economists and other scholars have been tackling this topic for years, resulting in many studies that explore the effect immigrants of different stripes have on the economy.

All in all, scholars who have written for The Conversation have concluded immigration’s impact is actually quite positive.


read more here
Real Music
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 03:41 pm
Trump threatens shutdown of ‘months or even years’

over border wall, says he could declare national emergency to get it built.



http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-threatens-shutdown-of-%e2%80%98months-or-even-years%e2%80%99-over-border-wall-says-he-could-declare-national-emergency-to-get-it-built/ar-BBROqDg?ocid=UE13DHP

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Real Music
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 03:59 pm
2 Republican Senators Break From Trump on Wall Demand.


Published January 4, 2019
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Senators Susan Collins (R., Maine) and Cory Gardner (R., Colo.) broke with fellow Republicans Thursday evening by calling on President Trump to sign a spending bill and end the ongoing government shutdown without securing funding for a border wall.

“I think we should pass a continuing resolution to get the government back open,” Gardner told reporters. “The Senate has done it last Congress, we should do it again today.”

“Congress needs to take further action on border security,” he added, “but that work should be done when the government is fully open. … Let Democrats explain why they no longer support border security.”

Collins, who is up for reelection in 2020, argued Congress should pass the spending bills that were initially supported by the leaders of both parties before Trump resumed his threat to shut down the government unless $5 billion is appropriated for the construction of a wall on the southern border.

“I’m not saying their whole plan is a valid plan,” she said, “but I see no reason why the bills that are ready to go and on which we’ve achieved an agreement should be held hostage to this debate over border security.”

While support within the Republican caucus appears to be waning, Vice President Mike Pence expressed resolve on behalf of the administration during a Thursday night appearance on Fox News.

“The president has made it very clear: No wall, no deal,” Pence said. “We’re here to make a deal, but it’s a deal that’s going to result in achieving real gains on border security, and you have no border security without a wall. We will have no deal without a wall.”

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/2-republican-senators-break-from-trump-on-wall-demand/ar-BBRNC5v?ocid=UE13DHP
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livinglava
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 05:00 pm
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:

Now apparently they believe the wall pay for itself because Trump said immigrants are bad for the economy.


According to most experts, it is not true.

Quote:
One of President Donald Trump’s main arguments for his “zero tolerance” immigration policy is that immigrants are bad for the economy and cost U.S. citizens jobs.

Is he right?

Economists and other scholars have been tackling this topic for years, resulting in many studies that explore the effect immigrants of different stripes have on the economy.

All in all, scholars who have written for The Conversation have concluded immigration’s impact is actually quite positive.


read more here


There are different ways of understanding what's good for the economy and what's bad.

Some people think it's good when lots of frivolous spending on things like drugs and parties churns up money to flow in various directions. They don't care about waste and inflationary pressures long term, because what they care about is getting more money now however they can get it.

Other people think the economy is stronger when things like crime, drug commerce, and other frivolous/wasteful expenditures are cut down, even if the fiscal stimulus effects of such transactions are lost. They are willing to make do with a little less economic activity for the sake of having higher quality economic activity overall.

Does this mean that all economic value rendered by non-citizens is low quality? No, many migrants do really productive work and often at wage levels that save their customers money relative to comparable non-migrant workers.

But in terms of trafficking and crime by people who are controlled by organized crime to disrupt the economy and milk it for the cash surpluses that some people have on hand to pay for things like drugs and prostitution, that lowers the quality of the economy.

And let's be clear not to blame migrants themselves when what they are doing is in response to coercive force. This is about organized crime bosses and traffickers exploiting people to make money in bad ways, and their customers who are funding it all by buying the drugs, paying hush-money, paying for legal protection, etc. instead of saving their money for nobler purposes.
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jan, 2019 09:47 am
@livinglava,
LL, you seem to be consitently singing the Groucho Marx song.
"Im against it"
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