Giuliani republican candidate for president in 08

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Aide: Giuliani Can't Run For Senate or governor

Apr 4, 2005 (1010 WINS) (ALBANY) Republican Rudolph Giuliani's top political aide said Monday it is not possible for the former New York City mayor to run for governor of New York or challenge U.S. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's re-election bid next year.

But, Anthony Carbonetti cautioned: ``Rudy is someone who never says never.''

``Right now, with all the commitments he has here in maintaining the success of Giuliani Partners and now growing a law firm, Bracewell & Giuliani, I just see the commitment as too great to undertake any sort of run within the next year,'' Carbonetti told The Associated Press. ``It's not possible.''

Independent polls have also shown Giuliani as the leading contender for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008.

``He doesn't have to make that decision anytime soon,'' Carbonetti said when asked about a possible Giuliani run for the White House.

``Who knows what's going to happen. He'll tell you his own personal experiences. He's someone who survived cancer and, we all thank God, lived through Sept. 11,'' Carbonetti said. ``So he never says never, and never tries to predict the future.''

On Thursday, as he announced the opening of the Bracewell & Giuliani law firm in New York City, the former mayor turned aside political questions.

``I haven't ruled it out and I haven't ruled it in,'' Giuliani said. ``I don't know the answer to that until the future.''

Giuliani ran against Clinton in 2000 until he withdrew in the face of prostate cancer. Independent polls have shown her to be the leading contender for the Democrats' 2008 presidential nomination.

Rudy vs Hillary in 08 what a happy thought it would make the democrats a winner regardless of who won the election. Imagine the people in the heartland would have a choice between a democrat and a liberal republican.
What do you think is there any chance of that happy event occurring? Would the major constituency of the republican party [religious right] allow for the nomination of a north eastern liberal to run for the presidency?

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I don't think it would happen. While he is liked in the Conservative circles, we all know he isn't conservative enough to win a primary election.

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Republican Party is a big tent
I don't know that he couldn't win a primary. The Republican party is a big tent and not fully in the grip of the religious right. The business community and Wall Street would fall in behind Giuliani and the pro-military crowd would as well. Moderate Republicans would probably carry him to victory in all the states that Kerry won in November and he would play well in the mid-west. He would probably not do well in the South, but if he came out as the pro-defense, pro-homeland security canidate, he might win a southern state or two. I think LA, NC, VA and FL would all be competitive.

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Go Rudy!

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engineer wrote:

He would probably not do well in the South, but if he came out as the pro-defense, pro-homeland security canidate, he might win a southern state or two. I think LA, NC, VA and FL would all be competitive.

A Northeastern candidate might have some difficulty getting enough support here in the South ...

Unless, say his VP was say someone like Jeb Bush ...

That might grab the South and a chunk of the Northeast.

Might leave some western states 'in play'

We have run some of these scenarios at our Republican Committee meetings.

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Fedral wrote

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We have run some of these scenarios at our Republican Committee meetings.

What were your conclusions. Could he win:
>in the primaries ?
> In the general election ?

As I said in a race between Hillary and Rudy I and IMO the nation can't lose.

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au1929 wrote:

What were your conclusions. Could he win:
>in the primaries ?
> In the general election ?

As I said in a race between Hillary and Rudy I and IMO the nation can't lose.

Depending on his Republican challengers, most give the Rudy/Jeb ticket a 60%+ chance in the primariy, since Rudy is well liked among most Republican circles and most would see this as setting up Jeb for a run in 2012 or 2016.

Hard to tell about the general election without a more concrete idea of his opponent.

The problem with an East Coast ticket is that it could put some states like New Mexico, Nevada and Arizona in the dead even column (That translates into a lot of money needing to be spent there to 'sell' the candidates)

Also these is some difficulty seen about selling a New Yorker in the Heartland.

Might loosen up support among the Midwest too much to guarantee the 'sweep' of the center that we have grown to rely on.

Keep in mind, this is the kind of stuff we talk about over coffee after the meetings and it can get kind of spirited.

Most people I talked (Myself included) would prefer to see McCain on the ticket with Rudy, but that puts Florida and perhaps Louisiana in the shaky column.

Who says we Republicans don't know how to party!! Woo hoo. Laughing

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Not Jeb!
After the Schivao fiasco, I don't know that I could vote for a ticket with Jeb on it, but McCain is the man! McCain also softens Giuliani's abortion position and strenthens his pro-defense credentials. I think a moderate Republican would win the general election in a cakewalk. Likewise, I think a moderate Democrat could go far against a radical republican.

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Rudy might have at least garnered some of my attention had I not read yesterday that he charged $80,000 to speak at a tsunami fundraiser.

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won't his record of marital infidelity make him unacceptable to the religious right? as a dem, i'd love to see him nominated just so the GOP will lose its monopoly on family values, morality, and so on.

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won't his record of marital infidelity make him unacceptable to the religious right? as a dem, i'd love to see him nominated just so the GOP will lose its monopoly on family values, morality, and so on.

Didn't President Clinton pretty much make the whole marital fidelity a moot point ?

Or is it only OK when DEMOCRATS break their marriage vows ?

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Fidelity is not a real issue
There are lots of Republicans and Democrats who are divorced, including a lot of congressmen and senators. It's not a big deal. It was pretty funny when Ryan got the boot for trying to have sex with his wife.

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engineer wrote:

There are lots of Republicans and Democrats who are divorced, including a lot of congressmen and senators. It's not a big deal. It was pretty funny when Ryan got the boot for trying to have sex with his wife.

divorce is one thing, infidelity another. it's a little hypocritical to be associated--at least in the minds of some people--with a cause like putting up the 10 Commandments in public places, when your nominee violated the 7th Commandment.

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yitwail wrote:

engineer wrote:
There are lots of Republicans and Democrats who are divorced, including a lot of congressmen and senators. It's not a big deal. It was pretty funny when Ryan got the boot for trying to have sex with his wife.

divorce is one thing, infidelity another. it's a little hypocritical to be associated--at least in the minds of some people--with a cause like putting up the 10 Commandments in public places, when your nominee violated the 7th Commandment.

So we are only allowed to run 'Perfect' people for office ? Good luck in finding anyone.

Putting up the 10 Commandments does not require you to be 'Perfect' only that you try.

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Who cares! Who did what with who? We are talking about the president of the US not a saint. I want someone who is capable of running the nation and couldn't care less if he had relations with every women he meets. That would be a hell of a lot better than Mr. Morality [that is a joke son] who sits in the oval office at the present time.

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Fedral wrote:

So we are only allowed to run 'Perfect' people for office ? Good luck in finding anyone.

Putting up the 10 Commandments does not require you to be 'Perfect' only that you try.

so is it do as i say, not as i do? here's what the GOP incumbent said in the State of the Union:

"Because marriage is a sacred institution and the foundation of society, it should not be redefined by activist judges. For the good of families, children and society, I support a constitutional amendment to protect the institution of marriage."

now wouldn't it be ironic if his party's designated successor is an adulterer?

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yitwail wrote

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Now wouldn't it be ironic if his party's designated successor is an adulterer?

Better that, than a lying religious hypocrite. In any event that is between him and his wife and not mine or yours. The time is long passed when they were asked to wear a scarlet letter.

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au1929 wrote:

In any event that is between him and his wife and not mine or yours. The time is long passed when they were asked to wear a scarlet letter.

no scarlet letter; it's more likely to be an aside during a presidential debate, like when John Kerry mentioned Mary Cheney's lesbianinsm, and his campaign manager compounded this by calling her "fair game". the personal is still political, although in a different sense from the original meaning of the phrase. it's Bill Clinton's legacy, that politician's private lives be examined microscopically.

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au1929 wrote:

yitwail wrote

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Now wouldn't it be ironic if his party's designated successor is an adulterer?

Better that, than a lying religious hypocrite. In any event that is between him and his wife and not mine or yours. The time is long passed when they were asked to wear a scarlet letter.

I don't know about you, but I prefer moral fiber to moral looseness any day. To cheat ones spouse is the greatest telling moral issue there can be. If you can't keep your closest and most private commitment, then how can you be expected to keep your oath of office? After all an oath of office only lasts 4 or 8 years but a marriage is supposed to last forever.

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Baldimo
What is worse lying to the nation. Going to war based upon trumped up evidence. Killing almost 1600 US service people and 100,000 Iraqi's. Fiscal irresponsibility or getting a blow job from an intern.

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