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Democrats, Communists?

 
 
timberlandko
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2005 06:03 pm
I think it unkind and unfair to compare Democrats to Communists.





Communists excell at organization and have a concise and consistent political philosophy.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2005 06:32 pm
Amen Timberlandko,

I couldn't have said it better myself. Of course the party in power seems to excel at organization and has a consistent political philosophy...
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2005 07:34 pm
Laughing - nicely done, ebrown_p Laughing


Though I might quibble a bit over "consistent" as applied to current Republican policy, if not philosophy. :wink:
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Instigate
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2005 08:37 pm
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For example, let me point out that in this country (and probably every other) there is no correlation between hard work and wealth.


So a man that flips burgers for 50 hours a week is not likely to have more wealth than the man that flips 'em for 30 hours? Would you say that a man that works 50 hours/week works harder than a man that works 30 hours/week? Have you failed to consider ingenuity and invention?

You can argue your assertion on an individual basis only. The "general rule" which you have presented it as is false.

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People who are in the upper class echelons enjoy myriad benefits other than just their wealth and power. Therefore they should accept their portion of responsibility.


They already shoulder most of the burden. There is no logical or moral justification for a progressive taxation system. It doesnt bring in more money than a flat tax would. Its only purpose is to screw the people that have money.

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I'm going to show my pinko colors and quote someone I can't remember who said "Behind every great fortune is a great crime." That may or may not be true right now, but there was a time when it was probably the rule


Can you provide evidence of this, or are you just echoing unproven Socialist maxims designed to vilify rich people? If it werent such a pervasive attitude, it would be funny that you people have to justify your confiscatory taxes by calling people criminals.

The obvious disparity in wealth among individuals doesnt fit well into the leftist Theory of Human Equality. This little problem is solved by your declaration above which, conversely, serves to bestow victim status upon poor people.

A clever trick to say the least.

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We should remember that we are all in this country/society/world together. You may not give a damn about people who live in poverty right now, but you might give a damn when someone who was raised up in poverty breaks into your house or steals your car or beats up your kid. None of us lives in a vacuum where what's ours is ours and no-one elses. If each of us had only what was ours we would all die of starvation


Just remember JazzFreak: You're no better than anybody else, private property is just an fancy, outdated concept and if you dont pay higher taxes your children may beaten, your house robbed and your car stolen.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2005 09:16 pm
Well, this had no way to go but downhill...
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old europe
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2005 09:25 pm
Instigate wrote:
So a man that flips burgers for 50 hours a week is not likely to have more wealth than the man that flips 'em for 30 hours? Would you say that a man that works 50 hours/week works harder than a man that works 30 hours/week? Have you failed to consider ingenuity and invention?


uhm... wanna re-post this:

nimh wrote:
Fact check:
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The US is an excellent place to be rich. Back in 1980 the average American chief executive earned forty times the average manufacturing employee. For the top tier of American CEOs, the ratio is now 475:1 and would be vastly greater if assets, not income, were taken into account. By way of comparison, the ratio in Britain is 24:1, in France 15:1, in Sweden 13:1.

Source



Does this mean, if the average employee is working 40 hours/week, that the top CEOs are working 19,000 hours/week?
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2005 09:31 pm
I think we all know this word could have had a concise one word title:

DEMMUNIST! They are forever intertwined.

mwahahahaha!!!!
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2005 09:34 pm
Geez, Lash, yer soundin' downright giddy tonight...
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old europe
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2005 09:38 pm
Something must have happened to Lash....
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Instigate
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2005 09:41 pm
old europe wrote:
Instigate wrote:
So a man that flips burgers for 50 hours a week is not likely to have more wealth than the man that flips 'em for 30 hours? Would you say that a man that works 50 hours/week works harder than a man that works 30 hours/week? Have you failed to consider ingenuity and invention?


uhm... wanna re-post this:

nimh wrote:
Fact check:
Quote:
The US is an excellent place to be rich. Back in 1980 the average American chief executive earned forty times the average manufacturing employee. For the top tier of American CEOs, the ratio is now 475:1 and would be vastly greater if assets, not income, were taken into account. By way of comparison, the ratio in Britain is 24:1, in France 15:1, in Sweden 13:1.

Source



Does this mean, if the average employee is working 40 hours/week, that the top CEOs are working 19,000 hours/week?


No. It means that the free market values CEOs more than burger flippers.
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old europe
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2005 09:44 pm
Instigate, I didn't know that the average American employees were all burger flippers, but I'm not surprised. With all those fast food chains you've got over there...
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2005 09:45 pm
Who is it here that coined the term Demmunist? I can't remember. Dys?

Cracks me up.

But, OK. I have been excessively verbal and silly.

Going to bed now.

<twists lips in Church Lady scowl>
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old europe
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2005 09:47 pm
Good night, Lash!
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2005 09:48 pm
'Night, dear.
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Instigate
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2005 09:54 pm
old europe wrote:
Instigate, I didn't know that the average American employees were all burger flippers, but I'm not surprised. With all those fast food chains you've got over there...


I did not know that either.

Nor did I intimate such a thing.
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Jazzfreak13
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2005 07:02 am
ebrown_p wrote:
Jazzfreak,

I am guessing you are in highschool or your first couple of years of college. And, I am guessing you are white, live with both your parents. Your family has a minivan and at least one other car.

I will go out on a limb and guess you are either from Northern Florida, or Connecticut... but I am not sure about this...

How did I do?


Im white and in high school but thats it. However being white goes with odds it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that im in high school (Im a freshman too!).
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old europe
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2005 07:06 am
Uhm, Jazzfreak: and what exactly did you mean with this statement:

Jazzfreak13 wrote:
Frankly I don't care about the poor...
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2005 07:09 am
What's a freshman in high school? I mean how old is a person who's a freshman in high school? I ask because where I live we don't have that concept. I suspect that a freshman is a young person though.
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Jazzfreak13
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2005 07:12 am
That wasn't fair. If they are nice people I don't see any reason why not to like them. I am also not refering to millions of Americans when I say hard working and rich. I am refering to the common American entrepenuer that works hard to start a business or invent some great gadget or even strive to be the greatest he can be at what he does. These people work incredibly hard and can still make a few million dollars over several years. Life is not fair to these people and even if they are small scale they deserve rights too. I do see where everyone is comming from but can't we get any republicans in here?
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Jazzfreak13
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2005 07:19 am
Im 15. What do they call classes by down under?
Just grade numbers?
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