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Sun 3 Apr, 2005 05:38 pm
So, me and littlek were driving up to New Hampshire to find some maple sugaring farms. We found a farm, but the sugaring is over. That's quite OK, we were let in to share a pen with a few goats and sheep. We saw a few cows and talked to a few horses, so the day was not wasted.
As we were driving back the topic of 'shag carpets' came up for some reason. Being a foreigner I was always puzzled by that term, as I came to know the word "shag" from Austin Powers movies. So, which came first: a "shag carpet" or the popular term used for intercourse: "shagging". I really need to know. And, are they connected? What about a shaggy dog, or a haircut?
We were wondering about something else too, but it escapes me now. Maybe littlek will remember.
......um........ I can't remember!
I'm trying to.
Have you loaded up the pix?
Shaggy came first (which is why Scooby never came at all!).
Seems to me that shag carpet would have predated shaggin by a little bit. After all, carpet is slang for... well, you didn't see much Brazlian waxing in the 60s and 70s.
C'mon, kids, you've been together all weekend. Let somebody else play.
hmm. that was quick. but what does the word 'shaggy' have to do with either?
Beats me. Aincha got a dictionary?
I used to shag fly balls at baseball practice, but Coach caught me and made me let the flies go.
So,
1. shag dog
2. shag haircut
3. shaggin
Yes?
Dag, you need to take into account that Austin Powers is a Mike Meyers creation - which means the slang in them is often Canajun/Brit, not American.
So the Canajun/Brit shag/sex act may not have any correlation whatever with the American shag haircut/rug. Could, but they're kinda 2 different languages.
The OED has "shag" used as a noun in the 11th century, in some form that looks Gaelic or something (no word buff am I). Late 16th century has literary uses of the word "shaggie," one describing hair, the other grass.
14th century has shag used as a verb meaning "to toss about." So perhaps the sexy shagging did predate the carpet.
I'm happy to eat my words, particularly if the word be carpet, ay.
But this is probably what you're going to get for the carpet reference, as shag is apparently a textile term...
Quote:To make a long or rough nap or pile on (a cloth or other material). Obs. rare.
1671 E. BLOOD in Abridgm. Specif. Patents, Weaving (1861) 1 A rich silk shagg..made of a silke wast..and shagged by tezell or rowing cardes, like as English bayes, rowed fustians, or dimatyes.
No, how dull is that?
So, if the 'shag' term comes from the 16thC for hair and grass, then shagging a carpet (snicker) could be a technique used to make a similar effect in carpets.
Hmmm... tossing about, eh?
hmm, so it could come both from 'tossing around' or from the shag carpet. i'd go for tossing around, since ehbeth made the good point that the origin of 'shagging' is british/canajun. cannot decide, this is tough.
dagmaraka wrote:So, me and littlek were driving up to New Hampshire....
I love that state. Found a really neat spot on the Applachian Trail where you can relax on a flat rock halfway up the mountain, the sun warming the rock, and three waterfalls surrouding you and covering you with a cool mist.
Gotta get back to that rock.