How does the Kavanaugh saga end?

@KingReef,

KingReef wrote:

Sorry if I got off topic.

So let me just say that I think this is going to end good for Kavanaugh. The right people are going to do the right thing. Though if the FBI investigates the letter that was leaked, Feinstein might have to go to prison for a while if she lies to them.

idk, she might have been respecting Ford's wishes, which may well have been to speak out against a man who victimized her and become a hero for her cause in the process.

Really, what can you do if a victim decides to use her victims' rights to pursue a political agenda against someone who abused her? Maybe the message that will really hit home from all this is that if you really want to support abortion rights you should try to be in the right place at the right time to get abused in a way that gives you a trump card against anyone, such as Kavanaugh, who might otherwise find their way into a position of power where abortion rights can be threatened.

Maybe victimocracy by way of victims' rights is the ultimate form of government, i.e. an evolutionary step forward for democracy.

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@livinglava,

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Maybe victimocracy by way of victims' rights is the ultimate form of government, i.e. an evolutionary step forward for democracy.

I don't think that is what this is. This is bad, a way to invent victims to destroy good people. I am sure that Kavanaugh is innocent. Ford is an Anti-Trump activist. She used a fake voice to fake frailty. She is not on the level. So I hope Kavanaugh will survive this and exceed expectations. And I am very very sure that liberals can feel very good about the fact that they can still murder their unborn children to their heart's desire, I don't see Kavanaugh getting in their way.

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@KingReef,

KingReef wrote:

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Maybe victimocracy by way of victims' rights is the ultimate form of government, i.e. an evolutionary step forward for democracy.

I don't think that is what this is. This is bad, a way to invent victims to destroy good people. I am sure that Kavanaugh is innocent. Ford is an Anti-Trump activist. She used a fake voice to fake frailty. She is not on the level. So I hope Kavanaugh will survive this and exceed expectations. And I am very very sure that liberals can feel very good about the fact that they can still murder their unborn children to their heart's desire, I don't see Kavanaugh getting in their way.

I just meant that in general I think political culture may be moving in the direction of victimocracy, meaning that the strategy of trumping other forms of power with victim rights is going to keep growing and there really is very little to do about it unless you are willing to deny the abuses that victims' suffer. There are lots of forms of abuse and discrimination that are hard to prove, and those of us who are honest acknowledge them. The problem is that there's no real solution for them, such as blocking supreme court nominations. The dems view themselves as being a holy party to the point that they think their social justice is not itself a victimizing power project. They rationalize it by telling themselves that the victims of social justice deserve it because of privileges they enjoy due to historical patterns of oppression and abuse. Of course they are wrong, but that doesn't erase the fact that people are getting abused and the perpetrators aren't stopping.

Liberty is this bizarre principle that people will govern themselves to prevent abuse at the source, but what happens when people fail at restraining themselves? You get abusers using liberty and privacy as shields for abuse, and you get social justice warriors trying to supplant liberty with forms of justice that add more injustices. I just don't know what solution is possible if people perpetually abuse liberty because authoritarian power doesn't work any better. We are so used to romanticizing the lesser of evils, e.g. that liberty and democracy aren't perfect but they're better than the alternative, that we fail to really face the problem of being stuck with the tricks and loopholes of liberty and democracy getting worse and worse as more bad people get smarter and smarter at taking advantage of them.

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@livinglava,

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I just meant that in general I think political culture may be moving in the direction of victimocracy, meaning that the strategy of trumping other forms of power with victim rights is going to keep growing and there really is very little to do about it unless you are willing to deny the abuses that victims' suffer.

I only see this 'victimocracy' as the current attempt to stop Trump. To the Democrats, stopping Kavanaugh means delegitimizing Trump.

See, I understand the Democrat strategy as "get rid of Trump" and winning elections. That's the bottom line. It drives their tactics specifically.

The tactics used against Kavanaugh are a part of the whole strategy. Lying is right because they see Trump as a diversion to ALL their plans should Hillary have won the election in 2016. They had a dagger to the throat of America with the Paris Climate Accord. They had it in their hearts to dis-empower Israel all along. They wanted to crush the Constitution. They wanted a one party political position. They wanted to invoke RICO on oil companies and rake in the funding which would empower the Democrats and the corrupted government institutions irreparably.

I can understand your observation. It does appear that they wanted to manifest a victimocracy. But that is just the scandal of the day for them. I don't think it is a trend, but it is a tool for them to access the power and authority they were on the brink of obtaining with Hillary.

I think the Democrats in the know see Trump as a total spoiler to the nefarious plans they had for the USA. So the resentment they felt against America the night of the elections was real, inconsolable, enthusiastically hated. They think that the conservatives in America need to pay for their mistake. The liberal elites, as I understand them, are livid and arrogantly considering revenge. The thing about that is, they can't seem to gain any traction with the Trump voters. Trump voters will not fall for the typical dirty play.

I do think we both see devious duplicitous sedition. I think we might have differences on where the Democrat's attitude. I think it comes out though on the way they behave, i.e. Maxine Waters, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, etc.

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@KingReef,

KingReef wrote:

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I just meant that in general I think political culture may be moving in the direction of victimocracy, meaning that the strategy of trumping other forms of power with victim rights is going to keep growing and there really is very little to do about it unless you are willing to deny the abuses that victims' suffer.

I only see this 'victimocracy' as the current attempt to stop Trump. To the Democrats, stopping Kavanaugh means delegitimizing Trump.

See, I understand the Democrat strategy as "get rid of Trump" and winning elections. That's the bottom line. It drives their tactics specifically.

The tactics used against Kavanaugh are a part of the whole strategy. Lying is right because they see Trump as a diversion to ALL their plans should Hillary have won the election in 2016. They had a dagger to the throat of America with the Paris Climate Accord. They had it in their hearts to dis-empower Israel all along. They wanted to crush the Constitution. They wanted a one party political position. They wanted to invoke RICO on oil companies and rake in the funding which would empower the Democrats and the corrupted government institutions irreparably.

I can understand your observation. It does appear that they wanted to manifest a victimocracy. But that is just the scandal of the day for them. I don't think it is a trend, but it is a tool for them to access the power and authority they were on the brink of obtaining with Hillary.

I think the Democrats in the know see Trump as a total spoiler to the nefarious plans they had for the USA. So the resentment they felt against America the night of the elections was real, inconsolable, enthusiastically hated. They think that the conservatives in America need to pay for their mistake. The liberal elites, as I understand them, are livid and arrogantly considering revenge. The thing about that is, they can't seem to gain any traction with the Trump voters. Trump voters will not fall for the typical dirty play.

I do think we both see devious duplicitous sedition. I think we might have differences on where the Democrat's attitude. I think it comes out though on the way they behave, i.e. Maxine Waters, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, etc.

I think the basic premise of socialism is to socialize capitalism. Communism is different than socialism, and Marx was actually critical of socialism, because he saw it as inhibiting the natural progress of capitalism into communism. No matter, though; that is just 19th century philosophy. The reason victimocracy fits so well with social-capitalism, is that social-capitalism seeks to control the flows of money within capitalism to create a privileged class. They do this by redistributing money from those who collect it (i.e. businesses and wealthy investors) to those who support their cause and/or whom they deem worthy recipients of redistributed privilege. Ultimately they see themselves as Robin Hoods who deserve money and power as heroes/champions of the redistributionism.

Victimocracy fits into this because they don't just want to give money as social justice but also power/voice. So there is internal critique within the social justice discourse that it is disrespectful to just pay off victims and that they should have power and a voice as well, i.e. because they've been disempowered by their victimization, so that power should be restored and augmented for justice. Justice is the driving ethic, but it is the justice of revenge and not that of creating just conditions for sustainable liberty for all into the indefinite future.

If all they wanted was sustainability; social justice, victimocracy, and redistribution wouldn't be as destructive as they are now. E.g. if everyone lived sustainably and you had to give your bicycle or cell-phone to someone else as restitution for some wrong they've endured, that would not be so bad. But what is really sinister is that they are simultaneously critical of environmental harm and climate change, yet they seek to redistribute the means to perpetuate unsustainable consumer-economic culture. So this is hypocricy, and the reason they do it isn't really because of social-justice, but it's because redistribution and spending for any reason whatsoever invigorates markets and makes imperial colonialism possible for wealthy global investors that fund the welfare states of Europe and other capitalist-elite paradises.

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