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Threat level for every flyer

 
 
steissd
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2003 01:27 pm
What dangers do exist if the background check is performed. For example, it is revealed that the checked person did not pay parking tickets, or smokes marijuana, or concealed part of his/her incomes for not to pay taxes. I do not think that this will prevent him/her from being a passenger of any airline. But if the person is involved in radical movements that resort to violence (not only Islamic extremists are being meant, but the groups similar to those McVeigh belonged to, or groups resembling this of David Koresh) it will be much safer for the other passengers if he/she does not fly together with them. It is about life saving, why can it be considered wrong?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2003 02:05 pm
point of information McVeigh did not belong to any group and would never have been spotted by domestic security operation.
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steissd
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2003 02:38 pm
Well, no security system is protected against flaws. But if 80 percent of potential terrorists are neutralized on the attack ararngement stage, life will be much more safe. Surely, it is the most difficult to intercept perpetrators that are not aligned with any organizations.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2003 02:55 pm
Most security systems established in a global fashion is bound to have stupid rules and regulations. One that I will never understand is the airport personnel asking whether we packed our own bags, kept it in our possession at all times, and never received anything from strangers. c.i.
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steissd
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2003 03:04 pm
C.I., it is one of the most popular exploits of the innocent travelers by terrorists and drugs smugglers. They ask to take some item from them and to pass it in the destination airport to their friend (dad, fiancee, etc.). If such item does not explode on the altitude of 30,000 ft, it often happens to be a parcel of cocaine.
Some people do not pack their luggage; neither their family members do it: they are rich enough to have servants. And it may happen that the Indonesian or Malaysian au-pair has connections with Al-Qaeda, Jamaa Islamiyeh or some other Islamic charity of such kind...
Such security precautions exist in the Israeli national airlines company "El Al" for decades, and no one considers them being weird.
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au1929
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2003 03:22 pm
cicerone imposter
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One that I will never understand is the airport personnel asking whether we packed our own bags, kept it in our possession at all times, and never received anything from strangers. c.i.


I wonder what confusion you could cause if you said you hadn't packed your own bag and received a package from a stranger. That is an answer they are not prepared for or have ever heard.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2003 03:28 pm
seissd, You are assuming that nobody lies. That's kind of naive. c.i.
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steissd
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2003 03:31 pm
It will cause no confusion. There is an instruction that rules to act as follows: the luggage is being checked by the specialist in explosives. I have undergone such a procedure once when some friend of mine had extra weight while returning from trip to Turkey, and she asked me to take the box (there were shoes) into my suitcase that was almost empty. I was asked an appropriate question, and the security specialist of "El-Al" checked my luggage. They did not even listen to my explanations that I was personally acquainted with the lady that gave me the item, and that I knew what was it. OK, I have nothing against them: they did their job.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2003 03:34 pm
steissd, I "never" have anything against people doing their jobs. FYI, they recently stopped asking those questions. c.i.
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steissd
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2003 03:37 pm
Well, it is a pity. El-Al claimed that its security department managed to prevent several disasters by means of the security precautions that included these "annoying" quiestions.
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au1929
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2003 03:50 pm
steissd
Well, it is a pity. El-Al claimed that its security department managed to prevent several disasters by means of the security precautions that included these "annoying" quiestions.

I sure they prevented disasters many time but not because of asking those questions. I traveled to Israel several times when the Arabs were hijacking planes. The precautions taken on flights to and from Isreal than were as good than as those we are first getting around to implementing in the States now.
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steissd
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2003 04:19 pm
I read some article in the Israeli media in Hebrew that the U.S. airlines companies copied some of the Israeli security methods after 9/11. El-Al is considered being one of the safest airlines in the world (though, not the most efficient in business terms...).
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2003 04:24 pm
I believe most of us that does frequent flying knows about El-Al's safety reputation. Unfortunately, most of us flying around the world fly almost every other airlines, not by choice, but because that's how the travel companies buy their group discounts to particular destinations. c.i.
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