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@reasoning logic,

My beliefs are none of your business.

@izzythepush,

I guess this means that you do not believe in God because it would be your duty not to deny his existence to others!

@reasoning logic,

No it means that I keep my spiritual beliefs to myself. I'll argue politics with you because it's substantial, any religious belief is unsubstantial, and arguments tend to go round in circles. Either you believe there's a point or not, and all 'evidence' depends on interpretation. Spademaster saw demons in the 9/11 smoke, but Bill saw that as evidence that the human mind forms pictures from abstract shapes. The two points are irreconcilable, so what's the point in declaring for one side or the other?

You only want to know my beliefs so you can categorise me accordingly, and I won't give you that satisfaction.

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@izzythepush,

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You only want to know my beliefs so you can categorise me accordingly, and I won't give you that satisfaction.

Cool!

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any religious belief is unsubstantial

You have already told me that a belief in God is not real or at least lacking substance and you do not see me categorizing you but it does seem that you do categorize yourself.

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@reasoning logic,

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You have already told me that a belief in God is not real or at least lacking substance and you do not see me categorizing you but it does seem that you do categorize yourself

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Don't put words in my mouth, I never said it wasn't real, just impossible to prove either way.

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@izzythepush,

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Don't put words in my mouth, I never said it wasn't real, just impossible to prove either way.

What does the word unsubstantial mean to you?

I think you are correct in saying that David Icke believes in things that are unprovable just as if someone were to believe in unicorns or Gods.
It does not mean that they can not be intelligent about some things, it only means that they have {in your words} blasted over the fine line between being a genius and being delusional!

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@reasoning logic,

It's one thing to believe in God, it's something else entirely to believe that the queen is a shape changing lizard.

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@izzythepush,

So you see a big difference Between theistic psychosis and other psychosis.
I am cool with that!
I think you should be able to believe anything you want as long as you do not hurt anyone or try to convert me or others into being psychotic!

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@reasoning logic,

You never say anything meaningful rl. Just brilliantine word droppings.

What "does not hurt anyone" mean? If you mean not risk hurting anyone then we might wonder whether you take a vehicle out on the roads.

An evolutionist has to allow that The Queen might be a well-evolved lizard. But then so must Icke be. He has no right to single The Queen out for such a label. He does so for no other reason that he might get attention from diddies like you for doing so. And it's a lot safer than picking somebody out in the pub, a wrestler's wife say. So it's cowardly picking on The Queen because the publicity generated to the case is like the harness that prevents babies falling out of their prams.

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@spendius,

You are being silly again!
If Icke or anyone wants to believe in such nonsense they have that right in my opinion just like you have the right to be an atheist and still support an ancient ethical system and not wanting it to evolve!

Martin Luther had his beliefs as well but he was proven wrong at the time and kept on believing regardless! It is everyone's right to believe but it is not everyone's right to be correct all the time!

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What "does not hurt anyone" mean?

You tell me your subjective point of view of hurt! It is not like it is nonexistent.

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@izzythepush,

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It's one thing to believe in God, it's something else entirely to believe that the queen is a shape changing lizard.

Yeah, when it's obvious she is a buzzard.

Tho quite a well-preserved buzzard, I might add. Very Happy

@ reasoning logic>> Icke has an extensive history of foot-in-mouth disease. Some of the rarest isms on the face of the earth are Icke-isms. Like you've said, everyone has their forte, and everyone cocks things up at times, but Icke is beyond redeeming himself for so many reasons, I'd hesistate to start on the list of them.

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@Builder,

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Icke has an extensive history of foot-in-mouth disease. Some of the rarest isms on the face of the earth are Icke-isms. Like you've said, everyone has their forte, and everyone cocks things up at times, but Icke is beyond redeeming himself for so many reasons, I'd hesistate to start on the list of them.

I see that this is true!
He is new to me I have never heard him before until I seen a video about money mechanics and he seem to be correct in the first 15 minutes and then he went into conspiracy theories.
I study human behavior and find that all people have bizarre beliefs but yet can be correct about many things! People also speak as if know things empirically even though they have not thoroughly researched the subject at hand!

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@reasoning logic,

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You are being silly again!

Me?? Being silly in a post you have no other answer too and after you have chosen to pick out of the millions, possibly billions, of video snaps available one of one of the silliest twats we have ever seen.

You're objectively silly and boy does it show.

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@spendius,

So are you making the claim that he was wrong in the first 15 minutes of his speech?

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@reasoning logic,

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People also speak as if (they) know things empirically even though they have not thoroughly researched the subject at hand!

Fair call. I tend to give people three chances in life. I'm generous, I know.

Icke ran out of chances with me so long ago, I'm surprised he still gets air time. But we do live in strange, eclectic times these days.

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@reasoning logic,

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So are you making the claim that he was wrong in the first 15 minutes of his speech?

I'm still waiting for a good enough reason to watch the first 15 minutes. I'm not prepared to watch 15mins of video on your say so, but I'm prepared to fork out £7 for a book, on Spendi's say so. That might tell you something, then again it might not.

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@Builder,

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Fair call. I tend to give people three chances in life. I'm generous, I know.

Icke ran out of chances with me so long ago, I'm surprised he still gets air time. But we do live in strange, eclectic times these days.

I have been the same way throughout my life!
When I find people getting it wrong I tend not to pay them much attention any longer.

People who are on a quest for truth often get much of it wrong, it seems to be a trial and error process and the more that they think, the more they can have bizarre ideas but they are at times able to bring knowledge to society.

Look at some of our greatest thinkers who ended up in mental hospitals yet we use their discoveries today!

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@izzythepush,

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I'm prepared to fork out £7 for a book, on Spendi's say so

I sure hope that you took more into account than that! Idea

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@reasoning logic,

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People who are on a quest for truth often get much of it wrong, it seems to be a trial and error process and the more that they think, the more they can have bizarre ideas but they are at times able to bring knowledge to society.

Yes, insanity and brilliance are close bedfellows.

Have you heard of an artist by the name of Amedeo Modigliani? German painter Ludwig Meidner described him in the following way, “Our Modigliani, or ‘Modi’ as he was called – was a characteristic and, at the same time, highly talented representative of Bohemian Montmartre; he was probably even its last true Bohemian”

Dead at 36, he was a more accomplished artist than Picasso, but mad as a cut snake, and drug-addled. Genius none-the-less. Died a pauper, unlike his peers.

Icke, I'm sure, still has his moments. What is lacking there is a skill at marketting himself.

I have some pretty radical concepts floating around in my skull, and I'm sure I'm not alone in that, but to mix radical ideas with rational argument shows neither in the best light, if you follow me.

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@Builder,

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I have some pretty radical concepts floating around in my skull, and I'm sure I'm not alone in that, but to mix radical ideas with rational argument shows neither in the best light, if you follow me.

Icke is not making claims any different than I hear others make, he is only stating how he sees it not that I think he has it exactly correct but I do think that you might agree with much what he is saying if you have studied the subject at hand.
He is not talking about some of the things that Izzy has brought up. Here is the video again just encase anyone is willing to challenge my sanity about this one video!

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