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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 22 Oct, 2011 02:05 pm
@spendius,
Spendius Are you hearing what the majority of people around the world are wanting? There are many deniers though! I hope that it does not end up being open season on the police before it is over.

reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 22 Oct, 2011 03:06 pm
@izzythepush,
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That complete bollocks about Washington, The Vatican, and The City Of London springs to mind.


I find it odd that you brought this up and someone else the same day brought it to my attention again today.
Do you think that this is Gods way of sending a message?

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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 22 Oct, 2011 03:30 pm
@reasoning logic,
It appears that I may have listened to more of this video than even you did RL, but I could only get through the first 20 minutes.

Obviously you found his "explanation" that banks are lending money they don't actually have to be enlightening, and I imagine that you agree with his admonition that if the CWSers achieve anything at all they much fashion a new monetary system, but do you have a clue as to what the monetary system he recommends be used looks like?

I killed the video when he started in on the Mossad/CIA operation known as 9/11 but but I can imagine where he was headed.

At what point do his delusions about being Jesus Christ and Elizabeth II being a space lizard become relevant to your assessment of what he has to say? His belief in conventional conspiracy theories like 9/11 being an inside job, and Jewish bankers and the Vatican controlling the world's economy, don't seem to concern you. Are you really prepared to dismiss his even more insane theories as simply his way of making some point?

Are you trying to have other people do your critical thinking for you? Do you listen to this rant, surprised that some of it seems to make sense to you, and then, disguised as a challange to others to debunk him, request that someone tell you why it is all nonsense?

If the guy was making so much sense to you, I don't understand why you couldn't stick with him for the full 32.47 to see if he might shed any additional light once he was through with his conspiracy theories.

reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 22 Oct, 2011 03:42 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
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At what point do his delusions about being Jesus Christ and Elizabeth II being a space lizard become relevant to your assessment of what he has to say? His belief in conventional conspiracy theories like 9/11 being an inside job, and Jewish bankers and the Vatican controlling the world's economy, don't seem to concern you. Are you really prepared to dismiss his even more insane theories as simply his way of making some point?


I take it that you did not read where I wrote all people seem to believe in things that are not true? People can be correct about some things and get many others incorrect!

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Are you trying to have other people do your critical thinking for you? Do you listen to this rant, surprised that some of it seems to make sense to you, and then, disguised as a challange to others to debunk him, request that someone tell you why it is all nonsense?


I stated that he went off into conspiracy theories after 15 minutes of listening. I was asking if anyone disagrees with what he says about our monetary system!

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If the guy was making so much sense to you, I don't understand why you couldn't stick with him for the full 32.47 to see if he might shed any additional light once he was through with his conspiracy theories.


For the same reason you may not continue to read my post or me read your post that do not make sense! Rolling Eyes

It does not mean that you or I can't be correct at times!
I did go back and listen to the rest just in case he had more to share
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 22 Oct, 2011 03:52 pm
@reasoning logic,
It took me a little while to connect this video with something I'd previously read and realized the reason the crowd is repeating everything this guy is saying is so that those on the outskirts of the gathering can hear what he has to say.

At least I think that's the reason. Any alternative is far too weird.

Still, even knowing the reason for the crowd’s repetition, it makes for a peculiar viewing experience.

Frankly, I don't know how anyone but a few individuals can be getting anything out of these speeches.

Comprehension is not enhanced by the singsong chanting of the crowd; quite the reverse, and I don't know how the people who are doing the chanting are able to focus on anything more than repeating the words the speaker’s used, as opposed to the messages he is trying to convey.

With one notable exception, the crowd sounds like people caught up in a religious ritual, and nothing of the essence of what the guys is actually saying makes its way into the droning repetition. The one exception was when one man in the crowd can be heard consciously emphasizing one particular line of chanting which apparently struck a chord with him. That was it, one time.

Maybe routinely participating in this practice reduces the strangeness and allows for comprehension, but I don't think I could take it for a long enough time to get used to it.

Again, maybe the droning zombies prevented me from fully comprehending what this guy was saying, but I failed to hear anything enlightening about what "the majority of people around the world are wanting," or for that matter why you would be concerned for the safety of the police. I hope you're not looking forward to OWS being a "spark" that lights a conflagration.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 22 Oct, 2011 04:15 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
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Again, maybe the droning zombies prevented me from fully comprehending what this guy was saying, but I failed to hear anything enlightening about what "the majority of people around the world are wanting," or for that matter why you would be concerned for the safety of the police. I hope you're not looking forward to OWS being a "spark" that lights a conflagration.


It seems that when we have paradigm shifts in the mores of society that violence has always happened. As for the spark that normally ignites the violence it has usually been the opposing force {The Status quo}!

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maybe the droning zombies prevented me from fully comprehending


Is this a term used when people are doing things you disagree with?
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 22 Oct, 2011 04:22 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:

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At what point do his delusions about being Jesus Christ and Elizabeth II being a space lizard become relevant to your assessment of what he has to say? His belief in conventional conspiracy theories like 9/11 being an inside job, and Jewish bankers and the Vatican controlling the world's economy, don't seem to concern you. Are you really prepared to dismiss his even more insane theories as simply his way of making some point?


I take it that you did not read where I wrote all people seem to believe in things that are not true? People can be correct about some things and get many others incorrect!

Oh, I read that, but there's a fairly large difference between getting something wrong and believing you are Jesus Christ. If your mind allows you to think you are God or that the Queen of England is an alien reptile it should seriously call into question everything else you believe.

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Are you trying to have other people do your critical thinking for you? Do you listen to this rant, surprised that some of it seems to make sense to you, and then, disguised as a challenge to others to debunk him, request that someone tell you why it is all nonsense?


I stated that he went off into conspiracy theories after 15 minutes of listening. I was asking if anyone disagrees with what he says about our monetary system!

Actually you challenged us to debunk what he claimed. Izzy offered to consider trying if you would summarize his main points, but you refused. I'm thinking it's not so much that you won't, but that you can't, and here I do not mean to insult you. He speaks with a reasonable tone of voice, but he talks a lot of rubbish. As I wrote in my prior post, if he has anything of value to relay why didn't he offer his opinion on what he thinks the OWSters should replace our monetary system with?

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If the guy was making so much sense to you, I don't understand why you couldn't stick with him for the full 32.47 to see if he might shed any additional light once he was through with his conspiracy theories.


For the same reason you may not continue to read my post or me read your post that do not make sense! Rolling Eyes

If I thought you had led with a real gem, I'd wade through the rest looking for another gem

It does not mean that you or I can't be correct at times!

Of course it doesn't and this fellow can be correct from time to time even though he is incorrect about the Queen being a lizard, but again, the fact that he believes or has believed that he is God and Elisabeth is the Geico Gecko doesn't give me much faith that he formed the belief that the world's monetary system needs to be scrapped through a rational process.

I did go back and listen to the rest just in case he had more to share

Good, I'm glad you saw the sense in what I wrote, but I take it you found no additional gems?

reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 22 Oct, 2011 04:28 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Do you disagree with what he stated about how our monetary system works?
I think our monetary system needs a rework and I think that would be a job that economic professors could do!
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 22 Oct, 2011 04:39 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:

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Again, maybe the droning zombies prevented me from fully comprehending what this guy was saying, but I failed to hear anything enlightening about what "the majority of people around the world are wanting," or for that matter why you would be concerned for the safety of the police. I hope you're not looking forward to OWS being a "spark" that lights a conflagration.


It seems that when we have paradigm shifts in the mores of society that violence has always happened. As for the spark that normally ignites the violence it has usually been the opposing force {The Status quo}!

Yes, paradigm shifts. What did you think of my response to Irishk on why the OWSters might feel compelled to restrict the speech of one of their own?

I can only assume that the particular clip you provided so convinced you that paradigm shifts are on the way that you naturally expressed you hope that the police wouldn't be the victims of the inevitable violence...even if they instigate it.
Do you believe the pardigm shifts OWS promises to be desirable? Will the unfortunate but inevitable violence that they spur be worth it? The way you phrased your concern for violence was interesting. You hoped it wouldn't become "open season" on the police. Does this mean that you are only concerned for the safety of the police or that you don't believe the protesters will be in any danger should violence errupt?

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maybe the droning zombies prevented me from fully comprehending


Is this a term used when people are doing things you disagree with?

No, it's a term I use when people sound like droning zombies.

What opportunity was there to disagree with these folks? They were merely repeating the words of the speaker.


Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 22 Oct, 2011 04:46 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:

Do you disagree with what he stated about how our monetary system works?
I think our monetary system needs a rework and I think that would be a job that economic professors could do!


He didn't provide a comprehensive description of our monetary system, only one aspect of it that when viewed out of context could be seen as problematic.

I certainly don't agree with him that the world's economy, including the monetary system, is under the control of a cabal or sinister network that seeks to engineer every single aspect of every single human life on earth.

I still don't know how he would change our monetary system, but since you believe it needs to be reworked perhaps you'll provide your recommendations for what should be changed.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 22 Oct, 2011 04:58 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
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I can only assume that the particular clip you provided so convinced you that paradigm shifts are on the way that you naturally expressed you hope that the police wouldn't be the victims of the inevitable violence...even if they instigate it.Do you believe the pardigm shifts OWS promises to be desirable? Will the unfortunate but inevitable violence that they spur be worth it? The way you phrased your concern for violence was interesting. You hoped it wouldn't become "open season" on the police. Does this mean that you are only concerned for the safety of the police or that you don't believe the protesters will be in any danger should violence errupt?


It seems that there may be a shift the way being that this is a global issue but there are many sleeping still but are slowly wakening!

I would think that if matters do not get resolved and the people act out, they will take their frustrations out on those who are trying to restrain them.

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open season

It is a term that seems to be related to extreme conservatives! It reminds me of Sarah Palin with the bulls eye remark and the deck of cards that was used to get rid of terrorist!
These people down there have been taught well to defend themselves if the time should come. Anything me or you could think up I am sure that there are other ocw sympathizers that can do the same.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 22 Oct, 2011 05:06 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
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I certainly don't agree with him that the world's economy, including the monetary system, is under the control of a cabal or sinister network that seeks to engineer every single aspect of every single human life on earth.


You are talking about a conspiracy theory that I do not get into, I think I already mentioned that!

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I still don't know how he would change our monetary system, but since you believe it needs to be reworked perhaps you'll provide your recommendations for what should be changed.


It seems that I have already gave you my answer on that.
The economic professors!

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He didn't provide a comprehensive description of our monetary system, only one aspect of it that when viewed out of context could be seen as problematic.


Being that you seem to have a more comprehensive description of our monetary system would you be kind enough to explain it and your view of how he may have been viewing it out of context?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 22 Oct, 2011 07:17 pm
It looks like the US economy is headed in a direction that includes Islam in its grass root struggles!
Don't you just love the solidarity?


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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sun 23 Oct, 2011 01:56 am
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:

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I can only assume that the particular clip you provided so convinced you that paradigm shifts are on the way that you naturally expressed you hope that the police wouldn't be the victims of the inevitable violence...even if they instigate it.Do you believe the pardigm shifts OWS promises to be desirable? Will the unfortunate but inevitable violence that they spur be worth it? The way you phrased your concern for violence was interesting. You hoped it wouldn't become "open season" on the police. Does this mean that you are only concerned for the safety of the police or that you don't believe the protesters will be in any danger should violence errupt?


It seems that there may be a shift the way being that this is a global issue but there are many sleeping still but are slowly wakening!

Huh? Confused

I would think that if matters do not get resolved and the people act out, they will take their frustrations out on those who are trying to restrain them.

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open season

It is a term that seems to be related to extreme conservatives! It reminds me of Sarah Palin with the bulls eye remark and the deck of cards that was used to get rid of terrorist!

And yet it was you who used it. A little of RL's irony?
These people down there have been taught well to defend themselves if the time should come. Anything me or you could think up I am sure that there are other ocw sympathizers that can do the same.

I'm not thinking about declaring "open season" on the police and despite your great faith in the martial prowess of the Oysters, I would strongly suggest that they don't either.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sun 23 Oct, 2011 02:00 am
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:

Being that you seem to have a more comprehensive description of our monetary system would you be kind enough to explain it and your view of how he may have been viewing it out of context?


I have no more desire than izzy did to do your critical thinking for you.

Especially if your response to the question of how the monetary system needs to be changed is: The economic professors
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 23 Oct, 2011 02:57 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

I certainly don't agree with him that the world's economy, including the monetary system, is under the control of a cabal or sinister network that seeks to engineer every single aspect of every single human life on earth.


What about the queen being a lizard?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 23 Oct, 2011 05:07 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
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I have no more desire than izzy did to do your critical thinking for you.

Especially if your response to the question of how the monetary system needs to be changed is: The economic professors


So much for you having a more comprehensive understanding of or monetary system and being able to point out where his first ten minutes of explanations is viewed incorrect!
I thought that this would have been easy for you but I guess I can be wrong about people knowing what they are talking about!
My hypothesis is, "when one thinks they understand the monetary system better than the economic professors one will say anything to get attention!
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 23 Oct, 2011 05:14 am
@izzythepush,
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What about the queen being a lizard?


You two are stuck on the man's psychology but I do not find it odd because I bet the two of you have some bizarre beliefs of your own. There is a fine line between being a genius and being delusional!

Understandings can be far better than beliefs if you do not become emotionally attached to them!
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 23 Oct, 2011 05:44 am
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:

[ There is a fine line between being a genius and being delusional!


David Icke blasted over that line a long, long time ago.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 23 Oct, 2011 05:47 am
@izzythepush,
Do you believe in God?
 

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