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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 11:39 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Here's a study by BLS on the earnings of Clinical Psychologists.
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Competitive salaries for clinical psychologists

As of 2008, the BLS reports that clinical psychology positions, categorized under the clinical, counseling, and school psychology job sector, earned a median wage of $64,140. For clinical psychologists working in the offices of other health practitioners, that median wage rises to $68,400.

But salaries rise even higher as individuals in this field earn more credentials, experience, and certifications. The highest 10% of clinical psychology professionals earn more than $106,840, according to the BLS. These individuals are licensed in their respective states - a requirement for all who want to work as clinical psychologists -and many have achieved additional certification in areas such as psychoanalysis, rehabilitation, forensic, group, school, clinical health, and couple and family psychology.

The middle 50% of all clinical, counseling, and school psychology professionals earn between $48,700 and $82,800
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 11:48 am
@cicerone imposter,
Yeah - and the Bay Area is definitely one of the highest-paying markets out there.

Cycloptichorn
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okie
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 12:19 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
She has achieved her PhD in Psychology. The going rate for practitioners out here in the Bay Area is anywhere from 75-125 dollars an hour. She specializes in working with Autistic children, an area for which there is currently a great demand, due to the behavioral difficulties associated with the disorder - and one which is rising, as diagnoses of Autism have rocketed upwards in the last decade.Cycloptichorn

Is there any better evidence as to why our cultural and economic outlooks are growing more grim? You support all the other evidence that our educational system for one thing is being burdened more and more by cultural or emotional problems of children? I hear this from more than one teacher in our circle of friends and acquaintances. According to them, much of this has been brought on by broken and dysfunctional families, live-in situations, boyfriends mistreating their live-in's children, the list goes on. There is no family stability as there used to be, and kids go home to TV to find their nurture, parents on drugs, the list goes on. Near my business location, there is a man that runs a counseling service, I believe he is also a degreed psychologist. The guy has a fluorishing business because he has an inside track with local courts, with judge or judges sending young people that have gotten into trouble with the law, to him for required counseling. We've talked about the younger generation and his clients, and in general his opinion is that the younger among us have a difficult time relating to real people, even conversing with people, because they have grown up interacting with TV, computers, cell phones, and all of that. Of course not every kid is messed up, but on average it might explain in part why higher percentages are having more problems.

To make a long story short, it does appear your wife is in a field that will enjoy a healthy demand for a good long time, and unfortunately much of the demand will be paid by taxpayers in one way or another. Some of the work will be through the school systems and some will be paid via the costs of simply maintaining law and order within our society.

All of this points out why I have expressed the opinion in the past on this forum, and I believe it more than ever, that our economic problems are really very closely tied to our societal or cultural problems, such as broken homes, single parent households, drug use, etc.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 12:30 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
She has achieved her PhD in Psychology. The going rate for practitioners out here in the Bay Area is anywhere from 75-125 dollars an hour. She specializes in working with Autistic children, an area for which there is currently a great demand, due to the behavioral difficulties associated with the disorder - and one which is rising, as diagnoses of Autism have rocketed upwards in the last decade.Cycloptichorn

Is there any better evidence as to why our cultural and economic outlooks are growing more grim? You support all the other evidence that our educational system for one thing is being burdened more and more by cultural or emotional problems of children. I hear this from more than one teacher in our circle of friends and acquaitances. According to them, much of this has been brought on by broken and dysfunctional families, live-in situations, boyfriends mistreating their live-in's children, the list goes on. There is no family stability as there used to be, and kids go home to TV to find their nurture, parents on drugs, the list goes on. Near my business location, there is a man that runs a counseling service, I believe he is also a degreed psychologist. The guy has a fluorishing business because he has an inside track with local courts, with judge or judges sending young people that have gotten into trouble with the law, to him for required counseling. We've talked about the younger generation and his clients, and in general his opinion is that the younger among us have a difficult time relating to real people, even conversing with people, because they have grown up interacting with TV, computers, cell phones, and all of that. Of course not every kid is messed up, but on average it might explain in part why higher percentages are having more problems.


Do you even know what Autism is? I would suggest you educate yourself on the topic before writing stuff like this. It isn't family problems, or behavioral problems brought about due to problems kids experience in life. It has nothing to do with that at all. It has nothing to do with kids who are in trouble, drugs, any of that. It's a developmental problem that makes it difficult for kids to learn to interact with others AT ALL, starting at age 2 or 3, and can severely impact their speech and motor skills. It also is associated with an inability to control mood or emotion, and increased sensitivity to noise and disruption; this makes it almost impossible to put these kids in a normal school.

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To make a long story short, it does appear your wife is in a field that will enjoy a healthy demand for a good long time, and unfortunately much of the demand will be paid by taxpayers in one way or another. Some of the work will be through the school systems and some will be paid via the costs of simply maintaining law and order within our society.


What you write here has nothing to do with Autism. I wish you'd refrain from writing about stuff you don't know anything about.

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All of this points out why I have expressed the opinion in the past on this forum, and I believe it more than ever, that our economic problems are really very closely tied to our societal or cultural problems, such as broken homes, single parent households, drug use, etc.


Autism has nothing to do with any of those problems, so I feel safe saying that in this case, your opinion is completely and totally wrong. I would also point out that when she works for the county or state, it's at half or a third of the rate that is typically charged in private practice. The implication that the taxpayer is somehow getting Rooked by my wife, in her work with kids with developmental difficulties, is an ignorant one.

It has been conclusively shown that early-age intervention, where these kids are given special education and training in how to overcome their problems, can help get them back on the right track, and become productive adults who EARN money and pay taxes instead of being unable to do so, and cost us all money to support them. It's entirely fair to say that my wife's work is actively saving the taxpayer a lot of money down the road.

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 12:45 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
okie is clueless; his world is a very limited one that continues to constrict, because he doesn't know how to learn new "tricks."
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 12:46 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Yes it does.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 02:28 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

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Same goes for your estimate of the future value of your wife's education.


Well, all I can say to that, is that if the current going rate for her profession was HALF what it currently is, the math still works out that her schooling is profitable in the long run. Not only that, it affords her the opportunity to work in a profession she cares about, at a high level. So, I would say that our estimates of the value of this purchase have very large tolerances, and all available evidence shows that the choice was the correct one.
I'm not arguing about the merits of your choice - only the obvious flaws in your underlying assertion that the accumulation of such debt always leads to future benefit. That is palpably false, and even your relatively safe bet is not a sure thing.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Re: the purchase of realty, as usual, you are telling only a small part of the story. The truth is that what made those purchases attractive were unregulated insurance products on those purchases - products which Republicans long claim didn't need to be regulated, which were specifically chosen by Bush not to be regulated, and which imploded spectacularly. It wasn't the drop of the housing market that stranded investors - it was the collapse of their insurance assurances.
A decidedly odd statement coming from one who asserted that debt always leads to future gain.

Your self-serving "explanation" focuses only on a relatively small component of the many factors that led to the collapsed bubble in housing prices that occurred a few years ago. I recognize it comes from the various sources of partisan prefabricated talking points that appear to constitute your vast "research" on these matters. However the widespread Federally subsidized securitization of mortgages was the chief factor that led to excessive capital inflows to the mortgage market. The CDS insurance devices were merely standard hedges designed specifically to match the flow of securities being bundled and peddled by Fannie and Freddy (and others) in great volumes. The elements of the CRA augmented this in many areas, particularly for those who could least afford the losses by focusing those capital inflows in areas selected based on government assigned social factors, rather than on real value or ability to pay. These inherently unsafe mortgages were then distributed over large numbers of packaged securities in just the needed amount to meet the minimum standard of the rating agencies and further hedged through the purchase of CDS insurance. The pieces of the illusion all fit nicely together to create the bubble and the mass insanity that fed it.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 02:37 pm
@georgeob1,
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A decidedly odd statement coming from one who asserted that debt always leads to future gain.


I didn't assert that, or say that in the slightest. I actually said:

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The truth is that borrowed money DOES lead to prosperity - but only in the short-term.


And that's perfectly true.

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However the widespread Federally subsidized securitization of mortgages was the chief factor that led to excessive capital inflows to the mortgage market


100% wrong. Totally wrong. What led to the massive capital inflows was the presumption that Credit Default Swaps would protect the investors from the inevitable downturn. Unless you would have us believe that the biggest investment companies and banks in the world were predicting the market would NEVER fall, never crash at all? Laughing Pull the other one!

You truly don't know much about this subject, George. That's been well-established in this thread over the years. As far as I can tell you've done no research at all; not even from 'partisan sources.' You seem to be confused about the most basic elements of this issue. But, we've been through this before, and you didn't pay attention to my last attempt to educate you, so why should I waste my time again?

Just to point one thing out for ya, for fun: the CRA had nothing to do with the vast, vast majority of mortgages that defaulted. At all. In fact, mortgages handed out under the CRA program were much less likely to default than ones which were not, in large part because of the greater scrutiny involved in qualifying those mortgages for the program.

So, that entire line you wrote: completely false. Where are you getting your information on this topic from? If you don't mind my asking.

Cycloptichorn
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okie
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 08:47 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Hey cyclops, calm down. I do not claim to know all about autism, but I would bet that hardly anyone does, including your wife. At this point, I think I would not be wrong to say it is an area of great uncertainty as to what causes it or whether there are simply more cases because we have more ability, or perhaps even more tendency to diagnose it.

My main point stands however, that our eduational system is having to deal with more behavioral problems, which costs the taxpayer dearly. I do not know if autism comes under a behavioral disorder or not, but I think it can manifest itself behaviorally. I am not exactly ignorant of what is going on in the schools nowadays, cyclops, because we have several friends that are teachers. Also one that is a nurse, and a close relative that works as a secretary in the school's office. In fact, my wife taught as a substitute for some time a few years ago, and she became a favorite for one teacher to call on when he was out, and he was teaching a class of kids with behavioral disorders, super slow learners, etc.

Autism is probably a minority of the things schools have to deal with, and I commend people like your wife that can help children with things like that.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 08:49 pm
@okie,
I'm glad to see that you are well, okie.

there was speculation that you had been raptured...
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 08:56 pm
@Rockhead,
I am glad to see that I was not the only one who had that thought!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 09:05 pm
@Rockhead,
okie thinks he's an authority on autism, because his wife taught as a temp teacher, and they have a friend who is a nurse. He continues to show his ignorance about a subject he knows nothing about.

I worked for almost 20 years for organizations that provides services to the developmentally disabled. Autism hits many families, poor, middle class, and the rich. It's estimated that one percent of births are autistic.

What I have learned from working at these organizations (in management positions) is the fact that about one percent of the American population have autism. Early intervention helps these infants to maximize their future potential.

Trying to blame any autistic child with behavior problems is based on ignorance. The symptoms of autism includes anti-social behavior. It's up to the professionals to help parents and siblings cope with their child or sibling with autism. The child did not have any control to be born with autism.

Rockhead
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 09:09 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I've a friend dealing with autism.

I don't have any desire to enter this discussion on that level.

thanks...
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 09:45 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:
I do not know if autism comes under a behavioral disorder or not, but I think it can manifest itself behaviorally.


That could be funny if it wasn't so serious.

Serious in many ways, and one certainly are your ... sorry ... stupid, ignorant and offending prejudices.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2011 01:47 am
What happens when Greece defaults

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It is when, not if. Financial markets merely aren’t sure whether it’ll be tomorrow, a month’s time, a year’s time, or two years’ time (it won’t be longer than that). Given that the ECB has played the “final card” it employed to force a bailout upon the Irish – threatening to bankrupt the country’s banking sector – presumably we will now see either another Greek bailout or default within days.
What happens when Greece defaults. Here are a few things:
- Every bank in Greece will instantly go insolvent.
- The Greek government will nationalise every bank in Greece.
- The Greek government will forbid withdrawals from Greek banks.
- To prevent Greek depositors from rioting on the streets, Argentina-2002-style (when the Argentinian president had to flee by helicopter from the roof of the presidential palace to evade a mob of such depositors), the Greek government will declare a curfew, perhaps even general martial law.
- Greece will redenominate all its debts into “New Drachmas” or whatever it calls the new currency (this is a classic ploy of countries defaulting)
- The New Drachma will devalue by some 30-70 per cent (probably around 50 per cent, though perhaps more), effectively defaulting 0n 50 per cent or more of all Greek euro-denominated debts.
- The Irish will, within a few days, walk away from the debts of its banking system.
- The Portuguese government will wait to see whether there is chaos in Greece before deciding whether to default in turn.
- A number of French and German banks will make sufficient losses that they no longer meet regulatory capital adequacy requirements.
- The European Central Bank will become insolvent, given its very high exposure to Greek government debt, and to Greek banking sector and Irish banking sector debt.
- The French and German governments will meet to decide whether (a) to recapitalise the ECB, or (b) to allow the ECB to print money to restore its solvency. (Because the ECB has relatively little foreign currency-denominated exposure, it could in principle print its way out, but this is forbidden by its founding charter. On the other hand, the EU Treaty explicitly, and in terms, forbids the form of bailouts used for Greece, Portugal and Ireland, but a little thing like their being blatantly illegal hasn’t prevented that from happening, so it’s not intrinsically obvious that its being illegal for the ECB to print its way out will prove much of a hurdle.)
- They will recapitalise, and recapitalise their own banks, but declare an end to all bailouts.
- There will be carnage in the market for Spanish banking sector bonds, as bondholders anticipate imposed debt-equity swaps.
- This assumption will prove justified, as the Spaniards choose to over-ride the structure of current bond contracts in the Spanish banking sector, recapitalising a number of banks via debt-equity swaps.
- Bondholders will take the Spanish Banking Sector to the European Court of Human Rights (and probably other courts, also), claiming violations of property rights. These cases won’t be heard for years. By the time they are finally heard, no-one will care.
- Attention will turn to the British banks. Then we shall see…


Andrew Lilico
Andrew Lilico is an Economist with Europe Economics, and a member of the Shadow Monetary Policy Committee. He was formerly the Chief Economist of Policy Exchange.

Yikes.......and Japan is already hard into recession because of the quake/wave/nuclear energy incompetence....I'd say the failure of the Euro is now the most likely trigger for the unavoidable big crash.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2011 01:58 am
@hawkeye10,
Greece: Why the Beast Is Back
Europe's banks aren't ready for losses should Greece default, but extend and pretend only throws good money after bad

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It's looking more and more likely that the Greek government will eventually fail to make payments on its bonds on time and in full—in other words, default is looming. Traders put a more than 70 percent probability on a Greek sovereign default some time in the next five years, judging from the prices they're paying for protection in the credit-default swap market. The question of the hour: Should Europe keep fighting to postpone the inevitable or begin arranging for an "orderly" default that causes the least possible collateral damage?

The case for delaying a default is that European banks need more time to repair balance sheets that were devastated by the 2007-09 financial crisis. The profits they're earning now are rebuilding their capital. The longer that Greece can be kept afloat, the better Europe's banks will be able to withstand the losses they'll be forced to recognize if Greece goes under. European banks and the European Central Bank have a strong incentive to extend and pretend.

Those who favor a default now say that European governments—and hence, ordinary taxpayers—are throwing good money after bad by extending fresh credit to Greece to keep it afloat. They point to Uruguay's 2003 restructuring, which extended bond maturities by five years at the original interest rates, as a success story. New York University economist Nouriel Roubini has been pounding the table for a Greek debt restructuring since last June.

Greece's problems are much worse than Uruguay's, so the haircut suffered by banks and other creditors would have to be deeper. But let's be clear: The damage from bad policy has already been done. There is no painless way out of Europe's mess.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_23/b4231010670935.htm?campaign_id=rss_null
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2011 02:02 am
Note to the boys...could you kindly take your bickering about autism some place else? There are some serious problems afoot which requires the attention of the adults.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 29 May, 2011 06:30 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Im in favor of that.
If the govt just does nothing, good or bad, then the economy will fix itself in a few years?

Sounds like a good argument for permanent gridlock to me.
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sun 29 May, 2011 06:59 am
The price of gas fell from $3.72 to $3.58 in one week here in Cville.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sun 29 May, 2011 07:33 am
Home values continue to drop
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