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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
xingu
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2007 09:02 am
What's the cost of the war; ah, 12 billion a month.

What's it called when you spend 12 billion a month for Universal Health Coverage to help sick Americans?

Socialism-evil

What do you call spending 12 billon a month killing people and making Al Qaeda stronger?

Patriotism-good
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2007 09:05 am
Makes a whole lot of sense for people without any brains.
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2007 10:09 am
And how do you know that, imposter, does God tell you?

(To everyone else, this is a question that imposter will understand from his previous comments to me.)
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2007 10:22 am
okie, Most things flies way over your head, so it's no use trying to explain anything to you; it's just a waste of time.
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2007 02:21 pm
I'm sure the stock market must be bad news to you, imposter.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,289070,00.html

283 points or more than 2% rise in the market in one day, imposter. Gettin close to 14,000. I'm sure the investors based this on all the bleak economic news that you talk about all the time.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2007 02:25 pm
Hmmm, the weaker dollar bodes well for your economy, as growth is going to continue from overseas.
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xingu
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2007 02:26 pm
Quote:
Subprime housing woes rekindle fears for US economy by Rob Lever
Wed Jul 11, 3:46 PM ET

Fresh troubles in the subprime segment of the US housing market have reignited fears of contagion that could affect the broad financial sector and possibly the broader economy, analysts say.

Those fears were fanned this week as rating agencies Standard Poor's and Moody's both warned of potential credit downgrades for bonds backed by subprime mortgages, which could affect investors and banks that issued the obligations.

"New data reveals that delinquencies and foreclosures continue to accumulate at an increasing rate," SP said.

"We see poor performance of loans, early payment defaults, and increasing levels of delinquencies and losses."

The news triggered a slide in the US dollar and Wall Street shares on Tuesday as investors reassessed their exposure to risky assets like mortgage-backed securities.

Subprime loans that flourished during the last part of the housing boom provided mortgages to people with poor credit histories, often allowing them to buy homes beyond their means through low "teaser" rates.

Many of the loans with adjustable rates or interest-only payments for the first year or two are being recalculated higher, making payments harder.

Industry figures showed the delinquency rate for all mortgages at 4.84 percent in the first quarter but 13.77 percent for subprime loans. Foreclosures were taking place at 0.58 percent of properties, but 5.1 percent for subprime.

David Kotok, chairman at Cumberland Advisors, said the billions of dollars in problem loans could have a major economic impact.

He said the slump in housing is already affecting some firms like Home Depot, the big home-improvement retailer. And he said some hedge funds that invested during the property boom are now in trouble too.

"Housing finance is huge. Hundreds of billions of debt instruments are involved in this deterioration," Kotok said.

"We have seen hedge funds stop funding withdrawals and we have seen hedge fund sponsors attempt to stem the tide with capital infusions (Bear Stearns). There is much more bleeding to come."

Some fear that the subprime crisis will prompt lenders to tighten standards and curtail mortgages. Fewer buyers will mean the glut of homes will increase and prices may fall further.

Moreover, a weak housing market may have what economists call a "negative wealth effect," prompting consumers to curb spending as they see home values decline. Auto sales last month were far weaker than expected.

Up to now, said Deutsche Bank economists Joseph LaVorgna and Carl Riccadonna, consumer spending has generally held up, but they find this perplexing and see an eventual pullback.

"We expect some payback in June retail sales, particularly after the disappointing data on June motor vehicle sales last week, the question is how big that payback will be," they said in a note.

Sal Guatieri, economist at BMO Capital Markets, said the troubles in housing will continue to drag on the overall economy.

"The US housing correction shows no sign of stabilizing," Guatieri said.

"Foreclosure rates are at all-time highs, with many subprime borrowers throwing in the towel. Continued moderate home price deflation, though helping affordability, is also discouraging buyers from taking the plunge."

Unlike some forecasters, Guatieri sees the US economic rebound as muted.

"Until housing stabilizes, the US economy will grow a modest 2.0 percent in 2007, before improving to 2.7 percent in 2008," he said.

But Philadelphia Federal Reserve president Charles Plosser said in a speech Wednesday that he sees limited "spillover" from the housing mess.

"While there remains the risk that such spillovers may develop, I have doubts they will be very large," Plosser said.

The National Association of Realtors said it sees a pickup in the home market. An NAR forecast called for sales of 6.11 million homes this year and 6.37 million in 2008, down from 6.48 million last year.

But NAR predicted existing-home prices would rise 1.8 percent after a 1.4 percent decline this year.

"Markets that sharply reduce new construction in 2007 will generally experience respectable price increases in 2008," NAR economist Lawrence Yun said.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070711/ts_alt_afp/useconomyproperty;_ylt=Aq.WmaDhwz7DlZmns_F96KrMWM0F
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2007 02:51 pm
okie, Don't worry about the stock market; we have done just fine the past three years - averaging an increaes of over 10%. That means, for your sake, that our annual increase is more than many people make working the whole year.

You only forget the big picture about our economy; 1) more than seven million more Americans are doing without health insurance, 2) mortgage bankruptcies are up, 3) savings is down, and 4) most salaries are not keeping up with inflation for the past six years. Fuel cost and interest rates are going up, creating more hardships for the middle class and the poor.

That you mention only the stock market just goes to show how ignorant you really are about our economy; it ain't just the stock market.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2007 03:03 pm
okie wrote:
I'm sure the stock market must be bad news to you, imposter.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,289070,00.html

283 points or more than 2% rise in the market in one day, imposter. Gettin close to 14,000. I'm sure the investors based this on all the bleak economic news that you talk about all the time.


The rich are getting richer apace; they don't give a damn about the overall economic situation for the country. Not dispositive evidence of anything.

Sheesh

Cycloptichorn
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2007 03:23 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
okie, Don't worry about the stock market; we have done just fine the past three years - averaging an increaes of over 10%. That means, for your sake, that our annual increase is more than many people make working the whole year.

You only forget the big picture about our economy; 1) more than seven million more Americans are doing without health insurance, 2) mortgage bankruptcies are up, 3) savings is down, and 4) most salaries are not keeping up with inflation for the past six years. Fuel cost and interest rates are going up, creating more hardships for the middle class and the poor.

That you mention only the stock market just goes to show how ignorant you really are about our economy; it ain't just the stock market.

How many of those 7 million people are illegal immigrants?
Mortgage companies bear responsibility in writing marginal loans for people with marginal credit ratings.
For every reaction, such as higher fuel costs, there are also positive effects, such as more jobs in the energy business and more royalty checks for landowners. Higher energy costs will spur alternative energy methods, which will benefit us in the long run. I thought home loans were at very low levels even yet?

I choose to look at things in a positive light. The glass can be half full instead of half empty. Wants are always limited in any economy in the world in all of history. I mention the stock market because the Democrats sang its praises when it went up in the 90's, so I can sing its praises now. I don't think it is the bottom line either. But when the dot.com bubble made it go up in the 90's, were you warning of the sky to fall?
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2007 03:25 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
okie wrote:
I'm sure the stock market must be bad news to you, imposter.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,289070,00.html

283 points or more than 2% rise in the market in one day, imposter. Gettin close to 14,000. I'm sure the investors based this on all the bleak economic news that you talk about all the time.


The rich are getting richer apace; they don't give a damn about the overall economic situation for the country. Not dispositive evidence of anything.

Sheesh

Cycloptichorn

I already burst your argument on the rise of poverty numbers, cyclops and imposter, so would you mind quit repeating the misleading info?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2007 03:50 pm
What misleading info are you talking about? That we have over seven million more Americans without health insurance sinch Bush took over the white house? You care to prove that more Americans aren't losing their homes? Show me! Your personal opinions are worth the value of used toilet paper.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2007 03:54 pm
August 29, 2006

THE NUMBER OF UNINSURED AMERICANS IS AT AN ALL-TIME HIGH


Data released today by the Census Bureau show that the number of uninsured Americans stood at a record 46.6 million in 2005, with 15.9 percent of Americans lacking health coverage. "The number of uninsured Americans reached an all-time high in 2005," said Robert Greenstein, executive director of the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. "It is sobering that 5.4 million more people lacked health insurance in 2005 than in the recession year of 2001, primarily because of the erosion of employer-based insurance."

Census data show that 46.6 million Americans were uninsured in 2005, an increase of 1.3 million from the number of uninsured in 2004 (45.3 million). The percentage who are uninsured rose from 15.6 percent in 2004 to 15.9 percent in 2005. The number of children who are uninsured rose from 7.9 million in 2004 to 8.3 million in 2005.

"The increase of 360,000 in the number of uninsured children is particularly troublesome," Greenstein said.
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2007 05:17 pm
I don't know about uninsured. That is a problem that needs to be fixed. I simply asked how many uninsured are not citizens?

The misleading information has to do with poverty numbers. The Census Bureau uses income before taxes and does not include the huge tax credits given to low income workers and their families.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2007 05:26 pm
okie wrote:
I don't know about uninsured. That is a problem that needs to be fixed. I simply asked how many uninsured are not citizens?

The misleading information has to do with poverty numbers. The Census Bureau uses income before taxes and does not include the huge tax credits given to low income workers and their families.


Jeez, you're right. Those 3-5k that they get back on their taxes really pull those families right up into the middle class. Don't know why anyone ever thinks of themselves as poor, obviously everyone has plenty of money to go around for everything they need.

Cycloptichorn
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HokieBird
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2007 05:27 pm
okie wrote:
I don't know about uninsured. That is a problem that needs to be fixed. I simply asked how many uninsured are not citizens?

The misleading information has to do with poverty numbers. The Census Bureau uses income before taxes and does not include the huge tax credits given to low income workers and their families.


Okie - the "uninsured" is not as cut and dried as it appears. See this clip:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=uKCWbq18bNk

The non-citizens that are uninsured would equal about half of Canada's total population, I think.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2007 06:01 pm
Hokie, Whoever produced that show missed "Sicko." There are many Americans who are refused treatment (period).
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2007 06:06 pm
This commentary doesn't fit in any other thread I am involved in on A2K. So I am sticking it in here.
The local NPR story was about junk food in schools and about childhood obesity and the costs, long-range, of the treatment of "victims" of all of that. Diabetes, heart problems. etc.
The comment was made that (paraphrasing): The current (ie 16-30 year olds) generation of Americans will be the first in many that do not live longer then their parents lived.
No proof was offered for this. But I am inclined to believe that this may be true.
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HokieBird
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2007 06:10 pm
realjohnboy wrote:
This commentary doesn't fit in any other thread I am involved in on A2K. So I am sticking it in here.
The local NPR story was about junk food in schools and about childhood obesity and the costs, long-range, of the treatment of "victims" of all of that. Diabetes, heart problems. etc.
The comment was made that (paraphrasing): The current (ie 16-30 year olds) generation of Americans will be the first in many that do not live longer then their parents lived.
No proof was offered for this. But I am inclined to believe that this may be true.


The "Medical News & Health" forum, possibly?
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Brand X
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2007 06:15 pm
realjohnboy wrote:
This commentary doesn't fit in any other thread I am involved in on A2K. So I am sticking it in here.
The local NPR story was about junk food in schools and about childhood obesity and the costs, long-range, of the treatment of "victims" of all of that. Diabetes, heart problems. etc.
The comment was made that (paraphrasing): The current (ie 16-30 year olds) generation of Americans will be the first in many that do not live longer then their parents lived.
No proof was offered for this. But I am inclined to believe that this may be true.


They were also talking about gov't nutritional school programs....over a billion dollars spent promoting healthy eating and kids are still eating worse and worse.

Good nutrition habits start at home...well they aren't but you get what I mean.
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