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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 09:45 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I think okie lies about many things, including his own biography.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 09:47 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
I remember foxfyre as a screaming harpie who insulted people and was something of a religious fanatic, which, to me, is a synonym for hypocrite.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 09:48 pm
@parados,
She comes back now and again under other names. What does that tell you?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 8 Sep, 2010 03:16 pm
I can't help but notice the fact that under Democratic presidents in the last 70 years, every single quintile of American has seen greater income growth than under Republican presidents - though the poor have grown far faster under Dems:

http://img.slate.com/media/1/123125/2265681/2266156/10.gif

http://www.slate.com/id/2266174/slideshow/2266174/fs/0/entry/2266218/

Cycloptichorn
ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 8 Sep, 2010 04:27 pm
@plainoldme,
The Constitution, as adopted March 4, 1789, was supported and signed by ALL 39 of the members of the group that designed, wrote, and debated the Constitution, and eventually by ALL 13 states. The Bill of Rights, adopted December 15, 1791, was supported and signed by a majority of the members of the group that designed, wrote, debated, and voted for the Constitution, and eventually by ALL 13 states. That group of 39 members included Alexander Hamilton and James Madison who along with John Jay were writers of the Federalist Papers.

ALL three writers of the Federalist Papers supported the Constitution as adopted March 4, 1789, but opposed the Bill of Rights, adopted December 15, 1791, as unnecessary.

Yes, there were anti-federalist papers. Go read The Anti-Federalist Papers and the Constitutional Convention Debates, edited by Ralph Ketcham.

I support judicial review wherein the judges interpret the law in a manner consistent with the interpretations of the adopters of the Constitution and its amendments.

Judges were not granted by the Constitution the power to legislate its meaning or to amend its meaning.

Quote:
Article III
Section 1. The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour, and shall, at stated times, receive for their services, a compensation, which shall not be diminished during their continuance in office.

ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 8 Sep, 2010 04:37 pm
@ican711nm,
plainoldme wrote:
In other words, the Constitution and the Federalist Papers should both be "living" documents; the Founders did not guarantee their own rectitude, and, government should progress and develop.

Please define what you mean by "living document."

Do you mean the Constitution as amended should be interpreted in whatever manner the courts decide it should be interpreted, regasrdless of the actual prior intent of those who adopted it?

If you do mean that, then you do not understand that will lead to the corruption of our government and our liberty.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 8 Sep, 2010 04:44 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
That's because the democrats are socialists who transfer wealth from the rich to the poor. Didn't you now that?
parados
 
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Reply Wed 8 Sep, 2010 04:49 pm
@ican711nm,
So who was given the power to decide what the founders thought ican?
plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 8 Sep, 2010 07:18 pm
@ican711nm,
You are such an ass. I wrote a lengthly and accurate commentary and you come back with vacuous crap. Do you wear loafers?
plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 8 Sep, 2010 07:23 pm
@cicerone imposter,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w7ALMIUy74&feature=related
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rabel22
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2010 08:20 am
@plainoldme,
HOLD IT PLAINOLDME. I wear loafers. I DEMAND AN APOLOGY for whatever insult you just did me!
plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2010 09:48 am
@rabel22,
But, I know you know how to tie oxfords and sneakers. You just have a high instep and prefer the comfort of a slip on shoe.
rabel22
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2010 12:14 pm
@plainoldme,
accepted. Also i am rather lazy.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2010 01:24 pm
@parados,
Quote:

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html
Article III
Section 1. The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviourand shall, at stated times, receive for their services, a compensation, which shall not be diminished during their continuance in office.

Section 2. The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States, and treaties made, or which shall be made, under their authority;--to all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls;--to all cases of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction;--to controversies to which the United States shall be a party;--to controversies between two or more states;--between a state and citizens of another state;-- between citizens of different states;--between citizens of the same state claiming lands under grants of different states, and between a state, or the citizens thereof, and foreign states, citizens or subjects.[/size]

In all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, and those in which a state shall be party, the Supreme Court shall have original jurisdiction. In all the other cases before mentioned, the Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and fact, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make.

The trial of all crimes, except in cases of impeachment, shall
be by jury; and such trial shall be held in the state where the said crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any state, the trial shall be at such place or places as the Congress may by law have directed.
Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.

The Federalist Papers were written about the Constitution before it was adopted by the states March 4, 1789. They were not written about the Bill of Rights. The first 10 amendments of the Bill of Rights was adopted December 15, 1791. The 27th Amendment submitted at the same time as the first 10, was adopted May 7, 1992.
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http://thomas.loc.gov/home/histdox/fedpapers.html
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No. Title Author Publication Date
1 General Introduction
Hamilton For the Independent Journal - -
2 Concerning Dangers from Foreign Force and Influence
Jay For the Independent Journal - -
3 The Same Subject Continued:
Concerning Dangers from Foreign Force and Influence
Jay For the Independent Journal - -
4 The Same Subject Continued:
Concerning Dangers from Foreign Force and Influence
Jay For the Independent Journal - -
5 The Same Subject Continued:
Concerning Dangers from Foreign Force and Influence
Jay For the Independent Journal - -
6 Concerning Dangers from Dissensions Between the States
Hamilton For the Independent Journal - -
7 The Same Subject Continued:
Concerning Dangers from Dissensions Between the States
Hamilton For the Independent Journal - -
8 The Consequences of Hostilities Between the States
Hamilton From the New York Packet Tuesday, November 20, 1787
9 The Union as a Safeguard Against Domestic Faction and Insurrection
Hamilton For the Independent Journal - -
10 The Same Subject Continued:
The Union as a Safeguard Against Domestic Faction and Insurrection
Madison From the New York Packet Friday, November 23, 1787
11 The Utility of the Union in Respect to Commercial Relations and a Navy
Hamilton For the Independent Journal - -
12 The Utility of the Union in Respect to Revenue
Hamilton From the New York Packet Tuesday, November 27, 1787
13 Advantage of the Union in Respect to Economy in Government
Hamilton For the Independent Journal - -
14 Objections to the Proposed Constitution from Extent of Territory Answered
Madison From the New York Packet Friday, November 30, 1787
15 The Insufficiency of the Present Confederation to Preserve the Union
Hamilton For the Independent Journal - -
16 The Same Subject Continued:
The Insufficiency of the Present Confederation to Preserve the Union
Hamilton From the New York Packet Tuesday, December 4, 1787
17 The Same Subject Continued:
The Insufficiency of the Present Confederation to Preserve the Union
Hamilton For the Independent Journal - -
18 The Same Subject Continued:
The Insufficiency of the Present Confederation to Preserve the Union
Hamilton and Madison For the Independent Journal - -
19 The Same Subject Continued:
The Insufficiency of the Present Confederation to Preserve the Union
Hamilton and Madison For the Independent Journal - -
20 The Same Subject Continued:
The Insufficiency of the Present Confederation to Preserve the Union
Hamilton and Madison From the New York Packet Tuesday, December 11, 1787
21 Other Defects of the Present Confederation
Hamilton For the Independent Journal - -
22 The Same Subject Continued:
Other Defects of the Present Confederation
Hamilton From the New York Packet Friday, December 14, 1787
23 The Necessity of a Government as Energetic as the One Proposed to the Preservation of the Union
Hamilton From the New York Packet Tuesday, December 17, 1787
24 The Powers Necessary to the Common Defense Further Considered
Hamilton For the Independent Journal - -
25 The Same Subject Continued:
The Powers Necessary to the Common Defense Further Considered
Hamilton From the New York Packet Friday, December 21, 1787
26 The Idea of Restraining the Legislative Authority in Regard to the Common Defense Considered
Hamilton For the Independent Journal - -
27 The Same Subject Continued:
The Idea of Restraining the Legislative Authority in Regard to the Common Defense Considered
Hamilton From the New York Packet Tuesday, December 25, 1787
28 The Same Subject Continued:
The Idea of Restraining the Legislative Authority in Regard to the Common Defense Considered
Hamilton For the Independent Journal - -
29 Concerning the Militia
Hamilton From the Daily Advertiser Thursday, January 10, 1788
30 Concerning the General Power of Taxation
Hamilton From the New York Packet Friday, December 28, 1787
31 The Same Subject Continued:
Concerning the General Power of Taxation
Hamilton From the New York Packet Tuesday, January 1, 1788
32 The Same Subject Continued:
Concerning the General Power of Taxation
Hamilton From the Daily Advertiser Thursday, January 3, 1788
33 The Same Subject Continued:
Concerning the General Power of Taxation
Hamilton From the Daily Advertiser Thursday, January 3, 1788
34. The Same Subject Continued:
Concerning the General Power of Taxation
Hamilton From the New York Packet Friday, January 4, 1788
35 The Same Subject Continued:
Concerning the General Power of Taxation
Hamilton For the Independent Journal - -
36 The Same Subject Continued:
Concerning the General Power of Taxation
Hamilton From the New York Packet Tuesday, January 8, 1788
37 Concerning the Difficulties of the Convention in Devising a Proper Form of Government
Madison From the Daily Advertiser Friday, January 11, 1788
38 The Same Subject Continued, and the Incoherence of the Objections to the New Plan Exposed
Madison From the New York Packet Tuesday, January 15, 1788
39 The Conformity of the Plan to Republican Principles
Madison For the Independent Journal - -
40 The Powers of the Convention to Form a Mixed Government Examined and Sustained
Madison From the New York Packet Friday, January 18, 1788
41 General View of the Powers Conferred by the Constitution
Madison For the Independent Journal - -
42 The Powers Conferred by the Constitution Further Considered
Madison From the New York Packet Tuesday, January 22, 1788
43 The Same Subject Continued:
The Powers Conferred by the Constitution Further Considered
Madison For the Independent Journal - -
44 Restrictions on the Authority of the Several States
Madison From the New York Packet Friday, January 25, 1788
45 The Alleged Danger From the Powers of the Union to the State Governments Considered
Madison For the Independent Journal - -
46 The Influence of the State and Federal Governments Compared
Madison From the New York Packet Tuesday, January 29, 1788
47 The Particular Structure of the New Government and the Distribution of Power Among Its Different Parts
Madison From the New York Packet Friday, February 1, 1788
48 These Departments Should Not Be So Far Separated as to Have No Constitutional Control Over Each Other
Madison From the New York Packet Friday, February 1, 1788
49 Method of Guarding Against the Encroachments of Any One Department of Government by Appealing to the People Through a Convention
Hamilton or Madison From the New York Packet Tuesday, February 5, 1788
50 Periodic Appeals to the People Considered
Hamilton or Madison From the New York Packet Tuesday, February 5, 1788
51 The Structure of the Government Must Furnish the Proper Checks and Balances Between the Different Departments
Hamilton or Madison From the New York Packet Friday, February 8, 1788
52 The House of Representatives
Hamilton or Madison From the New York Packet Friday, February 8, 1788
53 The Same Subject Continued:
The House of Representatives
Hamilton or Madison From the New York Packet Tuesday, February 12, 1788
54 The Apportionment of Members Among the States
Hamilton or Madison From the New York Packet Tuesday, February 12, 1788
55 The Total Number of the House of Representatives
Hamilton or Madison From the New York Packet Friday, February 15, 1788
56 The Same Subject Continued:
The Total Number of the House of Representatives
Hamilton or Madison From the New York Packet Tuesday, February 19, 1788
57 The Alleged Tendency of the Plan to Elevate the Few at the Expense of the Many Considered in Connection with Representation
Hamilton or Madison From the New York Packet Tuesday, February 19, 1788
58 Objection that the Number of Members Will Not Be Augmented as the Progress of Population Demands Considered
Madison - - - -
59 Concerning the Power of Congress to Regulate the Election of Members
Hamilton From the New York Packet Friday, February 22, 1788
60 The Same Subject Continued:
Concerning the Power of Congress to Regulate the Election of Members
Hamilton From the New York Packet Tuesday, February 26, 1788
61 The Same Subject Continued:
Concerning the Power of Congress to Regulate the Election of Members
Hamilton From the New York Packet Tuesday, February 26, 1788
62 The Senate
Hamilton or Madison For the Independent Journal - -
63 The Senate Continued
Hamilton or Madison For the Independent Journal - -
64 The Powers of the Senate
Jay From the New York Packet Friday, March 7, 1788
65 The Powers of the Senate Continued
Hamilton From the New York Packet Friday, March 7, 1788
66 Objections to the Power of the Senate To Set as a Court for Impeachments Further Considered
Hamilton From the New York Packet Tuesday, March 11, 1788
67 The Executive Department
Hamilton From the New York Packet Tuesday, March 11, 1788
68 The Mode of Electing the President
Hamilton From the New York Packet Friday, March 14, 1788
69 The Real Character of the Executive
Hamilton From the New York Packet Friday, March 14, 1788
70 The Executive Department Further Considered
Hamilton From the New York Packet Friday, March 14, 1788
71 The Duration in Office of the Executive
Hamilton From the New York Packet Tuesday, March 18, 1788
72 The Same Subject Continued, and Re-Eligibility of the Executive Considered
Hamilton From the New York Packet Friday, March 21, 1788
73 The Provision for Support of the Executive, and the Veto Power
Hamilton From the New York Packet Friday, March 21, 1788
74 The Command of the Military and Naval Forces, and the Pardoning Power of the Executive
Hamilton From the New York Packet Tuesday, March 25, 1788
75 The Treaty Making Power of the Executive
Hamilton For the Independent Journal - -
76 The Appointing Power of the Executive
Hamilton From the New York Packet Tuesday, April 1, 1788
77 The Appointing Power Continued and Other Powers of the Executive Considered
Hamilton From the New York Packet Friday, April 4, 1788
78 The Judiciary Department
Hamilton From McLEAN's Edition, New York - -
79 The Judiciary Continued
Hamilton From McLEAN's Edition, New York - -
80 The Powers of the Judiciary
Hamilton From McLEAN's Edition, New York - -
81 The Judiciary Continued, and the Distribution of Judicial Authority
Hamilton From McLEAN's Edition, New York - -
82 The Judiciary Continued
Hamilton From McLEAN's Edition, New York - -
83 The Judiciary Continued in Relation to Trial by Jury
Hamilton From McLEAN's Edition, New York - -
84 Certain General and Miscellaneous Objections to the Constitution Considered and Answered
Hamilton From McLEAN's Edition, New York - -
85 Concluding Remarks
Hamilton From McLEAN's Edition, New York
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talk72000
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2010 04:39 pm
@ican711nm,
Back to your old tricks of pasting long lists, I see Massagato.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2010 08:01 pm
@ican711nm,
Making up our own history, are we?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2010 08:35 pm
@plainoldme,
I never cared for loafers, because I don't like to carry a shoehorn in my pocket.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2010 10:18 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Yeah, a shoehorn does make an unattractive bulge; its curved handle catches on things, and, it leaves a u-shaped shiny ridge on the pocket.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2010 10:48 pm
@plainoldme,
And it's not comfortable to sit on. Mr. Green
plainoldme
 
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Reply Fri 10 Sep, 2010 05:10 am
@cicerone imposter,
That last one above all. BTW, I haven't seen a shoe horn in years!
 

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