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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 19 May, 2009 10:35 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
I'm sure there are companies and hospitals still hiring people, but the numbers are probably drastically reduced in this economy. I'd hate to think I was still in the middle of my career raising a family without any prospects for a job. I really feel for those people.
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genoves
 
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Reply Wed 20 May, 2009 02:32 am
@hawkeye10,
You have a clear view of what is going to happen, Hawkeye 10.

From a high of 6.7% under Bush to at least 12% under BO by the end of this year.

You have also zeroed in on the incredible debt which BO has saddled us with.
TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF DEBT!

By the way, a Trillion Dollars is a HUNDRED THOUSAND MILLION DOLLARS.

But ex-ghetto workers like BO are used to getting goverment largess.

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genoves
 
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Reply Wed 20 May, 2009 02:34 am
@realjohnboy,
Yes, you did. You are correct. If you wish to get a good handle on the concept, go the the web site for Bureau of Labor Statistics and search for U-6. That is the measure of TRUE UNEMPLOYMENT.

You will also find that the highest unemployment rate under Bush was 6.7%
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okie
 
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Reply Sun 24 May, 2009 10:12 pm
"The United States is dangerously reliant upon the whims of foreign investors, to help finance its $2-trillion budget deficit this year, and prevent a surge in long-term interest rates, which could have a devastating impact on the US-economy. If bond or currency traders detect that big investors in US-government bonds, - such as China, Japan, OPEC, Russia, and Brazil, have ceased to buy US Treasury debt, or worse yet, are becoming net sellers, it could spark a sharp slide in US-Treasury notes, sending yields sharply higher, and ignite a free-fall in the US-dollar.

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But President Barack Obama's stimulus program could have a destabilizing effect on the US-economy. No one is asking who will purchase the $1-trillion of US Treasuries to be offered to the market by September. Once that colossal amount of paper is bought, who will purchase another $5-trillion of Treasury paper over the next four-years, as the US-government plunges deeper into insolvency. The Federal Reserve would be forced to print (monetize) vast quantities of US-dollars to pay the principal and interest on the national debt that is not covered by tax revenue. "


http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1242850285.php
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 24 May, 2009 11:32 pm
@okie,
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President Barack Obama's stimulus program could have a destabilizing effect on the US-economy. No one is asking who will purchase the $1-trillion of US Treasuries to be offered to the market by September. Once that colossal amount of paper is bought, who will purchase another $5-trillion of Treasury paper over the next four-years, as the US-government plunges deeper into insolvency. The Federal Reserve would be forced to print (monetize) vast quantities of US-dollars to pay the principal and interest on the national debt that is not covered by tax revenue. "


UMMM, getting the debt bought at decent rates is only the first part of the problem, the second part is that those whom own the debt gain an enormous amount of leverage over the United States. We are selling our right to do what we think is best for us. In the future we will be doing what is best for those whom own our debt. This is a problem, at least for me....
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 24 May, 2009 11:37 pm
@hawkeye10,
Your fear is unfounded. Please explain in "real" detail why the US debt will turn the US into a "leveraged" state?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 24 May, 2009 11:44 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Bullshit, Chinese demands have totally shaped Obama's plan to deal with the economic collapse. This problem gets worse the more we go into debt.
okie
 
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Reply Sun 24 May, 2009 11:46 pm
@hawkeye10,
He who holds the purse strings make the decisions, hawkeye. I agree totally.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 24 May, 2009 11:48 pm
@hawkeye10,
Show the "evidence" please. PLEASE.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 24 May, 2009 11:53 pm
@cicerone imposter,
There have been many accounts in the popular press about this, do your own research. We bailed out multinational corps such as AIG because our bankers said "do it or else".
genoves
 
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Reply Mon 25 May, 2009 12:45 am
@hawkeye10,
Hawkeye 10--Please don't be mean to Cicerone Imposter. He is really unable to do his own research. If he asked me, I would tell him to read the Wall Street Journal daily to get his information, but I am sure that he could not understand most of the articles.

Cicerone Imposter has, I am sure, no conception of the meaning of Trillion.

He is unaware that Barack Hussein Obama is mortgaging the future of our children and grandchildren with his quixotic schemes to give us Socialized Medicine( a failure whereever it has been tried); An end to the alleged Global Warming( a theory which has never really been proven and which is not considered important by most of the voters) and, last but not least, improvement in Education--This is the most laughable of them all--Obama wants to get more people going to college. He does not know that doing so will cost trillions more. He does not know that the only way most of the people who he wants to send to college can survive is to lower the standards of colleges even lower than they are. Barack Hussein Obama does not know that if you really present College material in a scholarly and logical way, the graduate of such a REAL College program would need a 120 IQ to graduate successfully. Anyone with a basic understanding of statistics knows that such a guideline would make it unnecessary to raise government monies for college attendance.

Barack Hussein Obama, of course, is all in favor of giving away precious space in good programs to minorities. He should know. He was an affirmative action baby himself.
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2009 05:52 pm
This bites. I have a credit card for my business. Many of my small suppliers prefer to be paid upon shipment with a card. Cash flow and bad debt issues. Fine with me. It costs about $1.50 to write and mail a check and this card offered a 1% rebate each month on my purchases - which averaged about $8000/month. The card has a $25000 limit, which was more than ample. We always paid the full balance on time. Never a late fee or interest.
Today (5/26) I get a "Dear customer" letter that says (in essence): The institution that funds outstanding balances (i.e. "buys" the credit card debt) has suspended operations. Your card is canceled as of 5/31. You have made $X in purchases since your last statement. We will allow an additional $500 of charges. Any charge made later will be declined. Have a nice day.
It matters little to me. I was in it for the rebate and the savings vs writing checks. My cash flow is fine.
The timing of this -just a week or so after Congress passed credit card reform- suggest to me that the bean counters looked at my history and decided they were not making any money off of me and people like me.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2009 05:54 pm
@realjohnboy,
realjohnboy wrote:

This bites. I have a credit card for my business. Many of my small suppliers prefer to be paid upon shipment with a card. Cash flow and bad debt issues. Fine with me. It costs about $1.50 to write and mail a check and this card offered a 1% rebate each month on my purchases - which averaged about $8000/month. The card has a $25000 limit, which was more than ample. We always paid the full balance on time. Never a late fee or interest.
Today (5/26) I get a "Dear customer" letter that says (in essence): The institution that funds outstanding balances (i.e. "buys" the credit card debt) has suspended operations. Your card is canceled as of 5/31. You have made $X in purchases since your last statement. We will allow an additional $500 of charges. Any charge made later will be declined. Have a nice day.
It matters little to me. I was in it for the rebate and the savings vs writing checks. My cash flow is fine.
The timing of this -just a week or so after Congress passed credit card reform- suggest to me that the bean counters looked at my history and decided they were not making any money off of me and people like me.


Yup. The days of easy credit, funded by bad debtors, are over.

Cycloptichorn
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2009 06:02 pm
@realjohnboy,
How many customers have you rjb that you make no money out of?
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2009 06:17 pm
@spendius,
More than you would expect, spendius. We have a shoplifting issue. We don't make anything off of the those "customers." And we are moving to a cash-less consumer who thinks nothing about putting a $1 or $2 purchase on a credit card. Young people in particular carry no cash. One of my employees, brash but agreeably brash, was handed a card for a 25 cent purchase. He handed the card back and told the customer to take the item for free. We would lose money on the deal. I think the customer was totally clueless about what he was talking about.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2009 06:44 pm
@realjohnboy,
Quote:
Dear customer" letter that says (in essence): The institution that funds outstanding balances (i.e. "buys" the credit card debt) has suspended operations. Your card is canceled as of 5/31


you were fed a line. Your card was always subsidized by the card company abusing folks that have trouble paying on time or at all. Now that Congress is acting on this abuse profits will be more problematic for the card companies than they already were. The transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich has been cut back, your welfare program just ended. Now you get to pay for using credit like most other folks do, zero or low interest for high FICO customers as well as the kick backs are finished.
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2009 07:20 pm
@hawkeye10,
I don't disagree at all, hawk, with your thesis. It was a sweet deal for me. As much as a 30 day or so "float" between the time I made the purchase and when I had to make payment. No interest and a 1% rebate. It makes absolutely no sense. They were losing money having me as a customer.
One of my employees is up to his eyeballs in credit card debt. He and his lady are about 25. They pay the minimum each month and things are fine. I, and some of his coworkers, feel like strangling him. You will never get out of the hole you are in paying the minimum. The new law, as I understand it, will require the credit card companies to disclose, in something other than fine print, how long it will take and how much it will cost in interest.
Which leads me to this rant in an already too long post. I am stunned by how many folks come into my store and pick up an item costing $10 marked down by 50% and say "So how much will it cost? I was never any good at math." That is, to me, down right scary. Sheep, being fleeced.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2009 07:28 pm
@realjohnboy,
realjohnboy wrote:

I don't disagree at all, hawk, with your thesis. It was a sweet deal for me. As much as a 30 day or so "float" between the time I made the purchase and when I had to make payment. No interest and a 1% rebate. It makes absolutely no sense. They were losing money having me as a customer.
One of my employees is up to his eyeballs in credit card debt. He and his lady are about 25. They pay the minimum each month and things are fine. I, and some of his coworkers, feel like strangling him. You will never get out of the hole you are in paying the minimum. The new law, as I understand it, will require the credit card companies to disclose, in something other than fine print, how long it will take and how much it will cost in interest.
Which leads me to this rant in an already too long post. I am stunned by how many folks come into my store and pick up an item costing $10 marked down by 50% and say "So how much will it cost? I was never any good at math." That is, to me, down right scary. Sheep, being fleeced.


Did you/do you pay a monthly fee to lease the CC machines?

I would also strangle yer employee, what idiocy! What the hell do they spend all this money on?

Cycloptichorn
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2009 07:55 pm
@realjohnboy,
Quote:
Which leads me to this rant in an already too long post. I am stunned by how many folks come into my store and pick up an item costing $10 marked down by 50% and say "So how much will it cost? I was never any good at math." That is, to me, down right scary. Sheep, being fleeced.


So lets spin that around shall we? What does this make those who over the last three decades have been agitating for pushing more debt opportunities upon the general public, and also making the average citizen more responsible for his own financial situation (ending the career path concept, ending traditional pensions, privatizing social security....)? My aunt is retired from the 9th district of the fed and over the years has sent me a bunch of Fed generated stuff about how badly educated the public is on economics, on some on fed attempts to correct the situation. This problem is well known by everyone in the system.

What do we call those that pry on those whom it is known in advance lack the knowledge and/or awareness to act in their own best interests? Why would anyone set up such a situation on purpose?

Why have we allowed predatory economics for so long????
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2009 08:49 pm
As a public service meant for those who don't as of yet realize how fucked the USA is, and what sorts of medicine that will be require to mend the patient:
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Everybody who understands our long-term budget problems understands we're going to need a new source of revenue, and a VAT is an obvious candidate," said Leonard Burman, co-director of the Tax Policy Center, a joint project of the Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution, who testified on Capitol Hill this month about his own VAT plan. "It's common to the rest of the world, and we don't have it."


The surge of interest in a VAT is testament to the extraordinary depth of the nation's money troubles. While some conservatives have long argued that a consumption tax would provide a simpler and more efficient alternative to the Byzantine U.S. income tax code, this time it's all about the money.

The federal budget deficit is projected to approach $1.3 trillion next year, the highest ever except for this year, when the deficit is forecast to exceed $1.8 trillion. The Treasury is borrowing 46 cents of every dollar it spends, largely from China and other foreign creditors, who are growing increasingly uneasy about the security of their investments.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/26/AR2009052602909.html?hpid=topnews
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