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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jun, 2008 07:54 am
okie, Without ethics and compassion, everything else falls apart.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jun, 2008 05:09 pm
BUSINESS WEEK reports ... and it's a bit of a stinker imo - in particular the banks are not doing well right now .

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Market Snapshot June 2, 2008, 4:50PM EST

Stocks Slump on Bank Worries

Investor jitters resurfaced after management shakeups at Wachovia and Washington Mutual, and an S&P debt downgrade of three Wall Street firms
Stocks kicked off June with a broad sell-off Monday after one of the U.S.'s largest banks, Wachovia (WB), forced out its chief executive after the billions of dollars in losses from credit trouble at the company. Wachovia chief executive Ken Thompson was forced to retire, and chairman Lanty Smith will take over as interim CEO.

Also, Washington Mutual's (WM) chief executive Kerry Killinger will step down as chairman. He will keep his CEO job.

The market was also roiled by news that Standard & Poor's Ratings Services had lowered its debt ratings

on Wall Street giants Morgan Stanley (MS), Merrill Lynch (MER), and Lehman Brothers (LEH), having updated its assessment of the major investment banks and brokers. Morgan Stanley's rating was cut to A+ from AA-, while Merrill Lynch and Lehman were each downgraded to A from A+.

New economic data Monday was better than expected but still weak. So, says Richard Sparks of Schaeffer's Investment Research, "There was nothing positive out there to help the market."

The negative headlines put pressure on financial stocks, with the S&P Investment Banking & Brokerage index falling 3.25%. Lehman shares were the worst performers in the S&P 500 on Monday, dropping 8.1%. The S&P Specialized Finance index lost 3.34% after a trading volume report at the CME Group (CME) disappointed investors. The stock market's sell-off was broad-based, however. "You pretty much saw weakness across the board," Sparks says.

Bond prices were up on a flight to safety. The dollar and gold were higher as well. Oil prices rebounded higher after initial declines.

On Monday, the blue-chip Dow Jones industrial average fell 134.5 points, or 1.06%, to 12,503.82. The broader S&P 500 index shed 14.71 points, or 1.05%, to 1,385.67. The tech-heavy Nasdaq composite index was lower by 31.13 points, or 1.23%, at 2,491.53.

Activity in the broader market was negative. On the New York Stock Exchange, 22 stocks declined in price for every nine that gained. The ratio on the Nasdaq was 21-7 negative.

Monday was the first trading session in June. In May, the S&P 500 was up just 1.05%, and the Dow dropped 1.42%. The Nasdaq had a better month, posting a 4.55% gain.

More evidence of turmoil in the banking industry came from the United Kingdom, where Bradford & Bingley (BB.L) was forced to seek emergency capital after large losses. With a $355 million investment, U.S. private equity firm TPG took a 23% position in the lender.

Atlanta Federal Reserve President Dennis Lockhart said it is too soon to declare turmoil in financial markets over. "Although conditions have improved on some fronts, I don't feel we can yet 'breathe easy,'" he said. "The path of the economy is still enveloped in considerable uncertainty, and serious risks remain."



"On balance," he told the Jacksonville Chamber of Commerce, "I'm expecting a weak first half followed by some improvement in the second half as the drags on growth I mentioned earlier gradually diminish."

In economic data Monday, U.S. construction spending fell 0.4% in April, after a 0.6% drop in March. Residential construction, down 21% in the past year, was off 2.1% in April. Non-residential spending, however, rose 0.7% and is up 11.6% from a year ago.

The U.S. ISM manufacturing index rose to 49.6 in May, from 48.6 in April, a "little better than expected" according to Action Economics. It's one of many data points suggesting "manufacturing seems to have stabilized."

Today's U.S. ISM and construction spending reports both beat expectations to further diminish recession risks, and the upside surprise in the nonresidential construction figures through April has boosted our Q2 GDP estimate to 1.6%, wrote Action Economics in a posting on its Web site Monday.

July West Texas Intermediate crude oil futures, which skidded at the start of Monday's session, rose 41 cents per barrel to $127.76. The volatility that dominated last week's market persisted on Monday, reports S&P MarketScope.

Among stocks in the news Monday, Marriott International (MAR) expects revenue per available room in North America to rise just 2% in the second quarter, vs. previous estimates of 3 to 5%. Also, the hotel chain said it would be surprised if the revenue measure strengthened in the second half of the year. S&P's Hotels, Resorts & Cruise Lines index fell 2.57% Monday.

Harris Corp. (HRS) says it has been approached by other companies interested in buying the company and other transactions, but it is not pursuing a merger or sale.

Intrepid Potash (IPI) posted earnings of 27 cents per share, vs. earnings of 5 cents a year ago, as sales rose 75%.

China Netcom Group (CN) agreed to be acquired by China Unicom in a $56.3 billion stock-swap deal.

Marsh & McLennan Companies (MMC) announced that its chief financial officer, Matthew B. Bartley, will leave the firm.

Major European stock indexes slumped Monday. In London, the FTSE 100 index declined 0.76% to 6,007.60. In Paris, the CAC 40 index lost 1.58% to 4,935.21. Germany's DAX index dropped 1.24% to 7,008.77.

Major Asian indexes finished higher. Japan's Nikkei 225 index added 0.71% to 14,440.14. In Hong Kong, the Hang Seng index was higher by 1.22% at 24,831.36.

Treasury market

Treasuries rallied Monday. The ten-year note rose 24/32 to 99-18/32 for a yield of 3.96%, while the 30-year bond climbed 21/32 to 95-06/32 for a yield of 4.67%.




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BANKING WOES
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jun, 2008 05:28 pm
Banks and other financial institutions will be reporting 2nd Q results at the end of June. Folks are being hurled out of corner offices in anticipation of what could be a lot more red ink.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jun, 2008 05:40 pm
The "lot more red ink" translates into more job losses and loss of value in their investment portfolios.

The economy will continue to struggle for at least another year or two.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jun, 2008 05:43 pm
warren buffet comments on banking woes :

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April 2, 2008

Warren Buffett Comments on the Subprime Mortgage Lending Crisis

Excerpt from Warren Buffett's current Letter to Berkshire Hathaway Shareholders:

"Some major financial institutions have, however, experienced staggering problems because they engaged in the "weakened lending practices" I described in last year's letter. John Stumpf, CEO of Wells Fargo, aptly dissected the recent behavior of many lenders: "It is interesting that the industry has invented new ways to lose money when the old ways seemed to work just fine."

You may recall a 2003 Silicon Valley bumper sticker that implored, "Please, God, Just One More Bubble."

Unfortunately, this wish was promptly granted, as just about all Americans came to believe that house prices would forever rise. That conviction made a borrower's income and cash equity seem unimportant to lenders, who shoveled out money, confident that HPA - house price appreciation - would cure all problems. Today, our country is experiencing widespread pain because of that erroneous belief.

As house prices fall, a huge amount of financial folly is being exposed.

You only learn who has been swimming naked when the tide goes out - and what we are witnessing at some of our largest financial institutions is an ugly sight."

(see below for a prettier sight !) Laughing

Link: http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/letters/2007ltr.pdf




http://www.funs.co.uk/comic/12.jpg
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jun, 2008 06:13 pm
Love that cartoon!~ LOL
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jun, 2008 10:08 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
okie, Without ethics and compassion, everything else falls apart.


I don't know what part of my post you are commenting on in regard to ethics and compassion.

In regard to immigration, I heard Glen Beck tell of an illegal that put his hand into a meat grinder at a packing plant. Upon learning of it, the company reported the man as an illegal, so that they would not be held liable, and of course the feds have been looking the other way for a very long time in regard to illegals working in places like this, except for an occasional raid now and then.

Question, is that compassion? Absolutely not, and I would submit to you that compassion would be demanding the laws be upheld, the illegals be made to enter legally, to be citizens before they are employed, and then they can be treated with respect and protected by all laws and benefits afforded to them as all other citizens receive. No longer would we have a fringe society of slave labor that the Democrats seem to want to propagate, and even many Repubs want to do the same, in cahoots with their big business supporters.

And is it ethical to have citizens paying for workers comp and all other fees and taxes, unlike their competition may be doing while they hire illegals. I say, emphatically no, it is not ethical.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2008 08:47 am
You just made my point.
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parados
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2008 02:10 pm
Quote:
Jobless rate jumped to 5.5 percent in May
Increase biggest rise since `86, payrolls cut by 49,000

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25001930
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2008 02:13 pm
parados wrote:
Quote:
Jobless rate jumped to 5.5 percent in May
Increase biggest rise since `86, payrolls cut by 49,000

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25001930


Bush promised that his tax cuts would create jobs; instead, we have people losing their jobs, their homes, and their cars. I'm not sure how many republicans are still on board with Bush's message of more jobs, but I must wonder if they're suffering from "consumer" remorse after voting Bush into two terms.
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au1929
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 09:30 am
Nuts and bolts of job woes
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Friday, June 6th 2008, 8:12 PM

Jobs disappeared in May and the nation's unemployment rate zoomed to 5.5% in the biggest one-month jump in 22 years. Here's some help making sense of it:

Q: What changed from April's 5% rate?

A: "Half that increase came straight out of teens and early 20-somethings who couldn't find work," said Merrill Lynch economist David Rosenberg.

The unemployment rate for teens jumped from 15.4% in April to 18.7% in May, an unusu-ally sharp increase.

"That tells you something about what's happening at the family level," Rosenberg said. "Parents are telling their kids to look for work and the jobs aren't there."

Q: Who doesn't count in the unemployment figures?

A: People who want jobs but haven't looked in the last month aren't counted, including discouraged workers who dropped

their hunt because they gave up. If the unemployed who didn't look for work in the last month were included in May's rate, it would have been 6.4%. Add in people who want to work full time but are now working part time, and the number jumps to 9.7%.

Q: How does May's unemployment rate compare with the past?

A: We've seen worse, and we've seen it fairly recently: Unemployment was above 6% for most of 2003. The current rate looks

downright rosy compared to the downturn of 1982 and '83, when it was above 10% for almost a year.

Q: What might May's figures mean for salaries?

A: While wages in May increased 5 cents to $17.94 an hour, that's less meaningful than the jobless rate itself, economists said.

The current unemployment rate means "we are building up quite a bit of slack in the labor market," Rosenberg said. "That tells me wage rates are most likely going to be receding."
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 09:50 am
The pundits are blaming several things on the higher prices of oil, a) speculation, and b) the US currency loss of value.

What I observe are several things; 1) most Americans are now in a pickle concerning gas prices, and must choose between food on the table or filling up their gas tanks, 2) demand for gas will drop as gas prices increase, 3) the prices of all products and services will increase based on the cost of fuel, and 4) more families will declare bankruptcy as their mortgage payments increase while the value of their homes decrease. Demand for gas will drop; food is more important than a Sunday drive to the park, but they must continue to eat. Between gas and food, food will always win.
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au1929
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 10:26 am
CI

The sunday drive may not survive and neither will those living in rural America where public transportation is not available. Making the family auto the only means of getting to and from their place of employment.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 10:51 am
au1929 wrote:
CI

The sunday drive may not survive and neither will those living in rural America where public transportation is not available. Making the family auto the only means of getting to and from their place of employment.


Their only option will be to cut those trips into town for shopping. Many will be trading in their gas-guzzlers for more fuel efficient vehicles. Even as we speak, most car lots are filling up with those gas guzzling cars for sale.
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au1929
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 10:56 am
CI
There option is to put gas in their auto's or quit working. Which is no option at all.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 10:58 am
Many rural folk are in for hard times, for sure.

For those who live near the city in any way, carpooling looks better and better every day.

Cycloptichorn
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 11:18 am
Americans have only our stupidity to blame. It was well known three decades ago that this day would come, when demand over ran supply. And still we made lifestyle choices that assumed that cheap oil would run forever, still we deregulated the electricity and oil markets which allowed speculators to suck wealth out of the system and gave producers the incentive manipulate production so that prices would rise. The fact that not a single new oil refinery has been built in America for 30 years is a damning indictment of free market system. According to theory price rises caused by lack of production should have been met with investment in capacity so that more profit can be made. Nope, oil companies decided that it was easier to conspire amongst themselves to refuse to increase capacity and to take their increasing profits from their skim off of the pump price. If they take say 5% profit off of the retail price, and the price doubles, then their profit doubles...easy peasy.

There is no solution besides having a national energy policy that encourages wise use of energy, and helps to facilitate mass transit. also, re regulation of the energy markets is unavoidable, and the longer we wait to close the barn door the more money will walk out of it before we do what needs to be done.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2008 12:21 pm
Confidence in the economy is at rock bottom.


ECONOMY -- POLLING SHOWS AMERICANS' BLEAK ECONOMIC OUTLOOK: Two new polls indicate that Americans are increasingly feeling the pinch of the nation's economic downturn. According to a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released today, 78 percent rated economic conditions as poor. "That's up from 75 percent in March. Only 22 percent rate the economic conditions in the country as good," CNN notes. A USA Today poll today found that 54 percent "of those surveyed say their standard of living is no better today than five years ago," while a recent Pew Research Center report concluded that "[f]ewer Americans now than at any time in the last half-century believe they're moving forward in life." At the same time, Mark Zandi, chief economist for Moody's Economy.com, said the government's new jobs report that saw the nation's unemployment rate jump 0.5 percent "has recession written all over it." The unemployment rate was the "biggest monthly rise since 1986." In fact, "[f]or five consecutive months, there has been a steady loss of jobs, mostly in construction and manufacturing. Now, the job losses are spreading to restaurants, retailers, airlines, and even professions such as accounting. Teens are having an especially tough time finding work this summer." The Christian Science Monitor has thus concluded that the U.S. "is now in a jobs recession."

--americanprogressaction.org
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2008 01:24 pm
We must thank Bush for increasing jobs in our government; otherwise, the unemployment rate would be over ten percent - for sure.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2008 07:10 pm
President Bush gave an interview to the Times of London in which he said that the U.S. dollar should be stronger but that no formal intervention was being planned to shore up the U.S. dollar .

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From The Times of London

June 10, 2008

President Bush betrays fears over economy with strong dollar call

Gerard Baker and Tom Baldwin on board Air Force One

President Bush issued a call for a rise in the value of the US dollar on currency markets yesterday in a signal of mounting official alarm in Washington about the effect of the slumping greenback on the world's largest economy.

In an exclusive interview with The Times on the eve of the United States-European Union summit in Slovenia, Mr Bush expressed concern about the dollar's continuing weakness and said that he favoured an appreciation in the US exchange rate.

"We want the dollar to strengthen," he said on Air Force One as it crossed the Atlantic bound for the summit.


The President did not suggest that the United States was preparing to back its rhetoric on the dollar with any formal intervention in the exchange markets. He said that the "relative evaluations of economies will lead to that dollar strengthening".

However, his remarks clearly reflected the concern in Washington at the dollar's decline, which accelerated last week amid news of a further weakening in the US economy.

Henry Paulson, the US Treasury Secretary, in an interview on American television yesterday, hinted at a growing inclination in Washington to prop up the dollar. Mr Paulson said that he "would never take intervention off the table". The dollar rallied 1.3 per cent against the yen to Y106.23 amid hopes of intervention. The euro fell 1 per cent to $1.5626.

In a further signal of official US concern, Mr Bush said before he left Washington that he would raise the issue of the economy and the need for a strong US dollar at the summit, which begins today. He added that Mr Paulson would discuss the global economy at a meeting of the Group of Eight finance ministers in Tokyo this week. The US currency has fallen by more than 40 per cent against the euro and by 36 per cent against sterling in the past six years. While that has helped US exporters and has made American goods more competitive at home, it has helped to unleash inflationary pressures.

The Bush Administration and the US Federal Reserve have been strongly criticised in America for not doing more to support the dollar. Critics argue that the central bank's interest-rate reductions in the past nine months, designed to save the economy from the full effects of the global financial crisis, have pushed the dollar into dangerous freefall. Although the Bush Administration has said repeatedly that it supports a strong dollar, it has declined so far to take any direct action to support the currency.

On Friday the Labour Department reported that unemployment rose by 0.5 percentage points in May, the largest monthly increase in more than 15 years. On the same day, oil prices recorded their sharpest one-day increase in history and equities tumbled by more than 3 per cent.

In yesterday's interview, the President expressed confidence that the US would emerge in good shape from the crisis but acknowledged that the short-term outlook was still challenging. "We are a robust, flexible economy. No question we're having a tough time, as are other nations," he said.

Last week Ben Bernanke, the Chairman of the Federal Reserve, hinted for the first time that the central bank was concerned about the weakening dollar and suggested that the Fed was unlikely to cut interest rates again soon. Mr Bernanke sparked speculation that the Fed and the US Treasury might intervene on the dollar last week when he said that he was working with the Treasury to "formulate policy" that would prevent the dollar from declining further.

Kevin Logan, chief economist at Dresdner Kleinwort, the investment bank in New York, said: "There is clearly some unity of purpose between them and they are really concerned about dollar depreciation and the related inflation expectations."

The last time the US intervened to support the dollar was during the Clinton Administration.

Mr Paulson also indicated that Washington has no current plan of action to deal with the rising price of oil.



source :
PRESIDENT BUSH
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