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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 4 Feb, 2013 12:35 pm


Will Obama Ruin the Economy to Ruin the Republicans?

With both the 14th Amendment and platinum coin options to defuse a debt-limit crisis (apparently) off the table, only two possible outcomes are left: a debt- ceiling increase or the government's missing required payments and economic chaos ensuing. This is exactly the choice President Barack Obama laid out in his news conference this morning.
Politico reported today that top Republican staff members believe “more than half” their conference is prepared to push the government into default on some payments rather than cave on their demands for further spending cuts.

This isn’t because Republicans are reckless, as such. Many conservatives are sincerely convinced that excessive government spending poses a dire risk to the U.S. economy, and that even if missed payments have severe negative short-term economic consequences, they will be worth it if the long-term outcome is a smaller government.
The conviction that everything is about to come apart in the U.S. if the government maintains its current economic-policy course -- through tremendous inflation, a debt crisis, and/or all of the productive members of society Going Galt -- animates the huge Republican resistance to anything Obama proposes, even if that’s just the government paying the bills it has already run up. They’re trying their very hardest to save the country from a madman.
This sincere outlook is also insane, as you can see from how the stock and bond markets have behaved in recent years in response to various policy actions. The markets like fiscal expansion, monetary expansion and deals that keep the government operating as usual without drastic policy change. They do not cry out for massive disruption in pursuit of smaller government.
But the conservative worldview is robust because of its imperviousness to evidence. Economic data, like polling data or climate data, cannot get in the way of the narrative. Conservatives are sure that the Obama presidency will lead to an economic calamity, and they will prove it, if necessary.
Mike Konczal of the Roosevelt Institute has a good rundown of the game theoretical implications of the White House’s choices to take the coin and the 14th Amendment off the table. By removing the options to hit the debt ceiling without economic disaster, maybe the White House will force Republicans to give the White House the policy it most wants: a clean debt-ceiling increase. Or maybe we’ll hit the debt ceiling anyway.
But there is another explanation for the White House’s choice that is missing from Konczal’s analysis. If Obama had minted the coin, he would have taken the blame for whatever problems ensued, real or imagined. He might have saved the economy while bearing the political cost of ruining it. Foreclosing that option has an indeterminate impact on the economy, but it will ensure that Republicans get all the blame for whatever bad economic events happen in the next few months.
By creating an object lesson of how unfit the Republican Party has become to govern, Obama can ensure himself a political “win.” But with a new recession sparked by a government payments crisis, the country would lose -- and Obama, whose second-term plans would be hampered by the need to manage yet another recovery, would lose, too.
worldtraveler
 
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Reply Mon 4 Feb, 2013 12:44 pm
@H2O MAN,
YOu really are dumb. Mitch McConnell is the one who said early in Obama's first term that his main goal is to make Obama a one term president.

Then, there's this, http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/mitch-mcconnell-is-already-back-to-obstruction-at-all-costs/2012/11/08/37a05f00-29cf-11e2-96b6-8e6a7524553f_blog.html
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 4 Feb, 2013 01:29 pm
@worldtraveler,
yoU are the dumbest. Ignore his words for a moment and look at Obama's actions.

Obama.......intends.......to.......ruin.......the.......economy.......and.......repubilcans
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 4 Feb, 2013 01:55 pm
@H2O MAN,
No, read this from the article I posted.
Quote:
In other words, McConnell’s strategy of categorical opposition has been a tactical and strategic failure. Not only will Obama stay president for the next four years, but he will implement the final plank of the American welfare state — universal access to health insurance — without Republican input. The Obama agenda is here to stay, and to a large degree, Republicans have Mitch McConnell to blame.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 4 Feb, 2013 02:55 pm


Obama’s Jobless Numbers Hide Worsening Economy

The economy has added just 87,400 jobs a month since April, down from an average of 226,000 jobs a month in the January-March quarter.

Manufacturing payrolls fell 16,000 in September, a second straight monthly decline, while taxpayer-supported government jobs rose 10,000.

While a survey of households showed 873,000 job gains last month, about 582,000 of those jobs were part-time positions, many of them taken by people who cannot find full-time work.

The so-called underemployment rate, which includes part-time workers who would prefer full-time work, and people who want work but have given up looking, held at a troubling 14.7 percent last month.

Hiring by small businesses weakened in September for a third straight month. The National Federation of Independent Business said the net change in employment per firm slipped 0.23 last month.

Median family income has fallen about 8 percent since 2009.

H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 4 Feb, 2013 02:58 pm


37 Reasons Why Obama’s First Term Crippled The U.S. Economy
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Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 4 Feb, 2013 03:58 pm
@H2O MAN,
As you know, Boehner and McConnell directed Reps to oppose everything Obama wished to do. The Reps carried this out, and even filibustered 400 times. (It use to be that filibusters were rare.)

Thus, it is amazing that Obama accomplished all that he did.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 4 Feb, 2013 04:39 pm
@Advocate,
As you probably know, squirt looks at the world in a vacuum; his brain doesn't get any oxygen, because it's filled with H2O.

No garbage can get in, but he seems to be able to spew garbage all the time!
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 4 Feb, 2013 06:01 pm
@H2O MAN,
Are all your news stories on the economy going to be months or years old?
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 4 Feb, 2013 06:08 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

As you know, Boehner and McConnell directed Reps to oppose everything Obama wished to do.
The Reps carried this out, and even filibustered 400 times. (It use to be that filibusters were rare.)

Thus, it is amazing that Obama accomplished all that he did.


The country feels they did not do enough to stop Obama, but think of just
how much worse things would be right now if Obama faced no opposition Shocked
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 4 Feb, 2013 06:25 pm
@H2O MAN,
You wrote,
Quote:
The country feels they did not do enough to stop Obama


Can't you even remember recent history?

Isn't that strange that Obama was overwhemingly voted in for his second term.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 4 Feb, 2013 06:47 pm
@cicerone imposter,
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/images/popular-vote-graphic.jpg
you seem to have an odd idea about what "overwhelmingly" means....
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 4 Feb, 2013 07:02 pm
@hawkeye10,
Do you understand how American elections work? They're called electoral votes.

It was "overwhelming."
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/results

Obama won 62% of the electoral votes.

That's after Cheney spend $300 million and claimed Romney won by a huge margin. LOL
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 4 Feb, 2013 08:02 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
It was "overwhelming."
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/results

Obama won 62% of the electoral votes.

it was the 21st biggest win out of 57 elections, hardly "overwhelming". he did better the first time with 26th biggest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_Electoral_College_margin

you are a chump who is easily spoon fed by a biased media.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 4 Feb, 2013 08:39 pm
@hawkeye10,
It's "overwhelming" when you understand that the GOP was trying very hard to make it difficult for liberals to vote.

Do you know what "stick it up your ass, means?"
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 4 Feb, 2013 08:43 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
It's "overwhelming" when you understand that the GOP was trying very hard to make it difficult for liberals to vote.


there is about as much evidence for that claim as there is the claim that bands of angry white men are set upon killing Obama because he is black. Victim culture certainly does run deep, making such ferry tales an easy sell.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 4 Feb, 2013 08:48 pm
@hawkeye10,
You probably didn't hear about "voter suppression" during the last election.
Not surprising. You're an idiot! There were many media coverage on the subject during the election cycle.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/04/opinion/hogue-voter-suppression
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2013 03:22 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
It's "overwhelming" when you understand that the GOP was trying very hard to make it difficult for liberals to vote.


there is about as much evidence for that claim as there is the claim that bands of angry white men are set upon killing Obama because he is black. Victim culture certainly does run deep, making such ferry tales an easy sell.


A few Republican pols have admitted that voting photo IDs was all about suppressing votes by blacks and latinos. It so happens that there is essentially no voting fraud that would be cured by picture IDs. Voting fraud is typically when Reps discard voter registrations by Dems, fix the vote counting, and doing other things that kill votes on a wholesale basis.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2013 03:29 pm
@Advocate,
Voter fraud is controlled by the registration process, not at the voting booth.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2013 03:41 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
It's "overwhelming" when you understand that the GOP was trying very hard to make it difficult for liberals to vote.


there is about as much evidence for that claim as there is the claim that bands of angry white men are set upon killing Obama because he is black. Victim culture certainly does run deep, making such ferry tales an easy sell.


A few Republican pols have admitted that voting photo IDs was all about suppressing votes by blacks and latinos.


Not true.
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