Evolution? How?

You betchya its not a minor point neo ... its pretty much a make-or-break point, and not even Erasmus can equivocate past it. There is no straw man there, and there is but one reality.

omniscient does not equal omnipotent.

patiodog wrote:

omniscient does not equal omnipotent.

Why not? If you knew how to do anything, including how to get the ability to do anything, how are you not omnipotent?

So, yes, I believe God is omnipotent.

real life wrote:

patiodog wrote:

omniscient does not equal omnipotent.

Why not? If you knew how to do anything, including how to get the ability to do anything, how are you not omnipotent?

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So, yes, I believe God is omnipotent.

Now, I submit once more, by what rationale might an omnipotent, perfect creator provide the means for the extinction of species? If it was good enough for an omnipotent, perfect creator to create, then, by logic and objective critical thought, there should be neither reason nor mechanism for its extinction.

Ain't buying that copout attempt, rl - the record of you postings is clear; by them, you impeach your own proposition.

While omniscient does not equal omnipotent, omnipotent perforce entails omniscient - can't have it any other way.

Does God have free will?

Well, if God can do good and evil, as he clearly does in the Bible, then he has as much free will as humans. If God is bound by certain moral standards that dictate his actions, that is, it gives him no wiggle room, than God lacks free will. But the Bible shows us God may make, break and change any moral law in existence.

About the only thing that separates God from humans is the power God has in the Bible.

God is an omnipotent human; and ancient version of Superman.

Up, up and away. Is it a bird? Is it an alien flying ship? No, it's God bringing forth his vengeance against those who are non-believers. Plagues, earthquakes and floods destroying the naysayers to bring forth a world of believers and followers.

So, yes, the God found in the Bible does have a free will. No moral constraints bind him.

rl. your copout ain't gonna work - nothing at all to do with or without Calvin ... Calvin doesn't even enter into it. Lemme type real slow here -

You attribute to your god the quality of omnipotence, and take effort to reaffirm your assertion in such regard.

Fine - we'll stipulate the god of your god concept is omnipotent.

By definition, omnipotence is condition of absolute compass, entailing no inability, limitation, or stricture in any regard.

An omnipotent god must be omnisicient, otherwise, that god would be not omnipotent.



You simply can't have it both ways, Calvin, Hobbes, or Garfield The Cat notwithstanding. A fatal logical flaw - an irreconcilable contradiction, amounting to a conditional absolute - exists within the proposition you forward, rendering the entire premise self cancelling. You posit not an argument but an absurdity.

Now, I submit once more, by what rationale might an omnipotent, perfect creator provide the means for the extinction of species? If it was good enough for an omnipotent, perfect creator to create, then, by logic and objective critical thought, there should be neither reason nor mechanism for its extinction.

I understand that you are engaging in a blatant straw man argument in your endeavor to to disclaim Calvinist conviction by way of weaseling out of the irresolvable contradiction you've set for yourself. Sophistry is sophistry ... it won't get you out of the hole you've dug for yourself, but its all you've got, so I understand as well why you cling to it.