Algis Kemezys
 
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Reply Wed 30 Nov, 2005 06:16 pm
What aboout the book "Holy Blood Holy Grail" where it is mentioned in passing procreative between a seacreature and human. Hense the Jesus Fish ? On Crete I found an anthropormorphic natural sculture as the Jesus Merman there in a mystical gorge where miracles have taken place.It is beside the town of Asomatos which means spirit without an body.
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 30 Nov, 2005 06:24 pm
Some bighead up among that mish-mash wrote-

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I'll utterly destroy you in a knowledge bowl of anything pertaining to Star Wars, football,


You can have it on the Star Wars mate but on football forget it.You couldn't live with me on football.
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talk72000
 
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Reply Wed 30 Nov, 2005 10:46 pm
Rex:

I purposely left out Genesis 1 as i is a title otherwise God would be creating Heaven and earth TWICE.

Genesis 2-10 is the descriptive part of Creation.

Genesis:

TITLE: Genesis 1:1. "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8. AndGod called the firmament Heaven.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
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real life
 
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Reply Wed 30 Nov, 2005 11:37 pm
farmerman wrote:

What about the "Decay of the earths magnetic field" are you willing to concede that, because we know so much about polar wandering, pole reversals, and the existence of multipolar planetary magnetism,, that the dipole moment and the field intensity and magnetic declination arent indicating a decline in magnitude but are merely involved in epochal fluctuations? or are you going to obstinately keep up with Dr Barnes (who, as Ive found out today, has been pretty much disowned by the Creationists themselves.) Since the total field has remained constant for over seventy plus years, the conecept of Barnes "exponential decay" based on 100 years of data is kind of been dumped as a myth.



Maybe it's a difference in terminology, but it seems it's at least an open question.

Statements like (from FAQ page at USGS National Geomagnetism Program http://geomag.usgs.gov/faqs.php#qeleven )

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The strength of the magnetic field has been decreasing lately, does this mean that we are about to have a reversal?

Almost certainly not. Direct historical measurements of the intensity of the geomagnetic field have been possible ever since Gauss invented the magnetometer in the 1830's. Since then the average intensity of the field at the Earth's surface has decreased by about ten percent. And we know, from paleomagnetic records, that the intensity of the field does indeed decrease, by as much as ninety percent, at the Earth's surface during a reversal. But those same paleomagnetic records also show that the field intensity has often exhibited significant variation, with both decreases and increases in intensity, without there always being a coincident reversal. So, an intensity low does not necessarily mean that a reversal is about to occur. Moreover, the recent decrease in intensity is not really that dramatic of a departure from normality, and for all we know the field may actually get stronger at some point in the not-so-distant future. It's worth remarking that predicting the occurrence of a reversal based upon a knowledge of the current state of the magnetic field is about as easy as predicting the next bull market on Wall Street; you don't know it's happening until it's half over!


don't exactly sound adamant that a continual decrease is not still taking place. It simply offers speculation that it may (or may not) reverse.

The site refers to the 'average' decrease in the field and not just the dipole, which may agree with Dr Humphries' assessment (I know he is a particular favorite of yours, but the source he cites should be easy for you to check.)

Dr Humphries wrote:
Using ambiguous 1967 data, ..... energy gains in minor ("non-dipole") parts (seemed to) compensate for the energy loss from the main ("dipole") part. Using data from the International Geomagnetic Reference Field (IGRF)... from 1970 to 2000, the dipole part of the field steadily lost 235 ± 5 billion megajoules of energy, while the non-dipole part gained only 129 ± 8 billion megajoules. Over that 30-year period, the net loss of energy from all observable parts of the field was 1.41 ± 0.16 %. At that rate, the field would lose half its energy every 1465 ± 166 years.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 1 Dec, 2005 12:31 am
Which has what to do with circumstantial evidence for a creation?
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farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 1 Dec, 2005 06:53 am
real life, basically the USGS geomag program just agreed with me. Youre initial post was that a "continuous" field intensity decrease was consistant with a "young earth" , lets not forget that. I stated that the field intensity isnt decaying, in fact, it varies and has been realtively flat since 1935.

Humphries is making a statement that "if this is what really happened , we would recognize a loss in total field strength by half every 1500 years. Even he is trying to obviate any reasonable discussion about a meaning of field strength. He does admit (through very vague language) that these "young earth douches" are guilty ofmaking long term projections from minimal synoptic data. Humphries is famous as the master of the bleedin obvious.
We see that the total field varies all over the map and he earth has had as many as 10 different "poles" at the same time. If Humphries was honest , he would record the fact that an incidental "tripole" has been recently asserting itself
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don't exactly sound adamant that a continual decrease is not still taking place. It simply offers speculation that it may (or may not) reverse.
Obviously then your reading skills need some serious attention. The USGS wording is clear and unambiguous. Humphries, on the other hand demonstrates his "after work" hobby of obfuscating science to fit his religious beliefs.
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neologist
 
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Reply Thu 1 Dec, 2005 07:39 am
spendius wrote:
Some bighead up among that mish-mash wrote-

Quote:
I'll utterly destroy you in a knowledge bowl of anything pertaining to Star Wars, football,


You can have it on the Star Wars mate but on football forget it.You couldn't live with me on football.
Define football. Laughing
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 1 Dec, 2005 07:41 am
Feelin' a little scrappy today, Boss?
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neologist
 
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Reply Thu 1 Dec, 2005 07:45 am
Setanta wrote:
Feelin' a little scrappy today, Boss?
This is the omnibus thread, right?
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 1 Dec, 2005 08:13 am
neo wrote-

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Define football.


It eludes definition.It is known as "the beautiful game" and is a political force in the world for good.
Americans are,in my honest and humble opinion,making a big mistake in persisting with that horrible game they call by this sacred name.Even the players look ridiculous and have little or no individuality.It's like pro wrestling which we abandoned years ago for it's sheer daftness.

The sooner an American team gets into a World Cup semi-final the better.Once that happens American football will be toast.How many proper football stars are known by name in American sporting circles compared to how many American football stars are known by name in our sporting circles.(None).We have worshipped some of your golfers and athletes but your football stars are nowhere.

Cricket is something else though.It defies human understanding.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 1 Dec, 2005 08:24 am
neologist wrote:
This is the omnibus thread, right?


Ain't that the ugly truth . . .
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 1 Dec, 2005 08:37 am
An apparent Master of Self-delusion wrote:
The sooner an American team gets into a World Cup semi-final the better.Once that happens American football will be toast.


Let none doubt that human capacity for convincing oneself that what one finds interesting must of necessity interest everyone else. The United States first appeared at the FIFA World Cup in 1950--a big yawner. Pele from Brazil is the only soccer star ever to be widely known in the United States. The U.S. Women's team won the FIFA World Cup in 1991 and 1999, and came third in 1995 and 2003. It's forgotten as soon as the regular NFL season starts.

FIFA "stars" are nowhere in terms of sporting interest in the US. But then, one doesn't expect those with such purely provinicial views to understand that.
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CrazyDiamond
 
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Reply Thu 1 Dec, 2005 08:46 am
Pele from Brazil? Never heard of him. The only one I know of is Freddie Adu.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Thu 1 Dec, 2005 08:51 am
spendius wrote:
Cricket is something else though.It defies human understanding.
446 - 5 defies my understanding certainly.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 1 Dec, 2005 11:55 am
And one of them is the night watchman.
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real life
 
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Reply Thu 1 Dec, 2005 01:08 pm
Setanta wrote:
Which has what to do with circumstantial evidence for a creation?


Farmerman wrote:
Youre initial post was that a "continuous" field intensity decrease was consistant with a "young earth"


Basically what FM said.

Evolutionists postulate the Earth to be 5-6 billion years old. A recalculated age of even half that would probably be devastating to the evolutionary theory, since it supposedly took 3/4 of a billion years just to get from Earth's beginning to the first living organism.

So if data from the magnetic field indicates that the Earth's age is more likely measured in millions or even 1-3 billion, that would spell serious trouble for the evolutionary hypothesis, I think most would agree.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 1 Dec, 2005 01:11 pm
Which has what to do with circumstantial evidence for a creation?

Even in the highly unlikely event that you are ever able to support your silly postulates, the inability to maintain a contention which you attribute to those convinced of the validity of a theory of evolution does not authorize an insistance on your imaginary friend superstition.

So, "real life," got any circumstantial evidence for a creation yet, or are you just going to continue piddling in the corner and insisting we inspect the puddles?
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Thu 1 Dec, 2005 02:11 pm
Paleomagnetic studies indicate nothing inconsistent with a planetary age in the ± 4 Billion Year neighborhood. True to form, rl continues to not provide evidence but rather to persistently evidence a thorough misgrounding in science. Misunderstanding and/or mischaracterizing evidence is not evidence. Then, what else is new?

I gotta question for ya, rl - how do you explain Australia's 3.5 Billion-Year-Old stromatolite formations, or the existence in the Precambrian Canadian Shield bedrock of 3.7-3.9 Billion-Year-Old carbonized remains of cyanobacteria, findings echoed by similar discoveries in the Australian Precambrian Shield bedrock? Do you dispute the findings, or do you contend that your invisible freind put them there to fool the gullible?
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farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 1 Dec, 2005 03:07 pm
real life
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So if data from the magnetic field indicates that the Earth's age is more likely measured in millions or even 1-3 billion, that would spell serious trouble for the evolutionary hypothesis, I think most would agree.


The operative word for you is "IF". Dream on sir.
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yitwail
 
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Reply Thu 1 Dec, 2005 05:11 pm
from the "bard of imperialism"

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you
But make allowance for their doubting too,
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream--and not make dreams your master,
If you can think--and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it all on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breath a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on!"

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings--nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much,
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And--which is more--you'll be a Man, my son!

(rule brittania! strike up the band! Razz)
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