patio...ah yes, I see....hmm.
So medicine, rather than "contaminating" the gene pool, is more likley creating greater diversity within it...therefore potentially increasing our long term viability!
Thanks patio, that makes very good sense...and I get to feel better about medicine! Nice side effect!
I can spin it the other way, too, if you like. Either way, I like my vaccines.
patiodog wrote:Wolves are a lot closer to extinction than dogs are.
Dogs *are* Wolves. Just real fancy selections of the basic lupine gene pool.
It's amazing how much diversity exists in the gene pool of even a single species. All of the dogs we have today are just selected and focused variants of the Grey Wolf.
That different species can interbreed is an indication of evolution.
In fish there are several species of sunfish that will interbreed with each other if they share the same habitat producing natural hybrids. Bluegill and green sunfish hybrids are probably the most common. But there are hybrids that are found among species such as bluegill, green sunfish, orange spotted, pumpkinseed, longear, redear, and warmouth sunfish.
Lions and tigers have been known to interbreed in captivity producing some enormous cats:
Male offspring are sterile, but female offspring are fertile.
InfraBlue wrote:That different species can interbreed is an indication of evolution.
In fish there are several species of sunfish that will interbreed with each other if they share the same habitat producing natural hybrids. Bluegill and green sunfish hybrids are probably the most common. But there are hybrids that are found among species such as bluegill, green sunfish, orange spotted, pumpkinseed, longear, redear, and warmouth sunfish.
Lions and tigers have been known to interbreed in captivity producing some enormous cats:
Male offspring are sterile, but female offspring are fertile.
If you call that successful interbreeding. Sounds like the family line in the second generation is going nowhere fast if the resultant males are sterile.
real life wrote:If you call that successful interbreeding. Sounds like the family line in the second generation is going nowhere fast if the resultant males are sterile.
What about the fertile females, don't they get a chance, just look at how cute they are
That's a big kitty.
real life wrote:Eorl wrote:patiodog, I agree.
and the dog thing, good symbiotic relationships makes dogs better adapted to a human dominated world, right?
..but what if the bird flu gets us all ?
Who wins wolves v dogs (sans humans) ?
I figure that's what you are saying..."good" adaptation is always relative to surviving another sunset.
Hey RL, who on the ark had the bird flu anyway? Two french hens? And how certain are you that it will not evolve into a human born virus?
edit: caint spel goode
That's a funny question. Did anyone on the ark have the flu? Maybe, but perhaps they were resistant enough to simply carry it and not succumb. No one and no animal on the ark died, at least, during that time.
(I've always had lots of questions about the ark. Many folks believe that representatives of some of the larger species were possibly taken aboard as young or even newborn (almost) to preserve space and food, etc. Some think that hibernation may have helped control some animals for part of the ride and conserve food as well. No way to know for sure, but these would be practical solutions.)
Back to question: Will bird flu be transmitted human-to-human? It's very possible.
I wonder who got the tapeworms and the lice? I also wonder why no one in Egypt and Mesopotamia noticed the flood.
Noah: "When the ark lands, don't expect to get back to farming any time soon! The eight of us will have our hands full building the Egyptian pyramids! "
So, when was that flood?
P
Pauligirl wrote:real life wrote:Eorl wrote:patiodog, I agree.
and the dog thing, good symbiotic relationships makes dogs better adapted to a human dominated world, right?
..but what if the bird flu gets us all ?
Who wins wolves v dogs (sans humans) ?
I figure that's what you are saying..."good" adaptation is always relative to surviving another sunset.
Hey RL, who on the ark had the bird flu anyway? Two french hens? And how certain are you that it will not evolve into a human born virus?
edit: caint spel goode
That's a funny question. Did anyone on the ark have the flu? Maybe, but perhaps they were resistant enough to simply carry it and not succumb. No one and no animal on the ark died, at least, during that time.
(I've always had lots of questions about the ark. Many folks believe that representatives of some of the larger species were possibly taken aboard as young or even newborn (almost) to preserve space and food, etc. Some think that hibernation may have helped control some animals for part of the ride and conserve food as well. No way to know for sure, but these would be practical solutions.)
Back to question: Will bird flu be transmitted human-to-human? It's very possible.
I wonder who got the tapeworms and the lice? I also wonder why no one in Egypt and Mesopotamia noticed the flood.
Noah: "When the ark lands, don't expect to get back to farming any time soon! The eight of us will have our hands full building the Egyptian pyramids! "
So, when was that flood?
P
The flood covered Egypt and Mesopotamia as well as the rest of the world. What makes you think Noah built pyramids?
The Flood; another silly myth unsupported by any evidence.
xingu wrote:The Flood; another silly myth unsupported by any evidence.
Yeah, nearly every culture on earth has a story/cultural memory about it.
Every land mass on earth shows evidence of having been underwater.
If it really did happen, what type of evidence would we really expect to see? Billions of dead things buried in rock layers laid down by water all over the earth.
What do we actually see? Billions of dead things buried in rock layers laid down by water all over the earth.
Hard to believe.
Pauligirl wrote:
Quote:Noah: "When the ark lands, don't expect to get back to farming any time soon! The eight of us will have our hands full building the Egyptian pyramids! "
History lesson ~~~ Noah and his family did not build the Eqyptian pyramids.
Intrepid wrote:Pauligirl wrote:
Quote:Noah: "When the ark lands, don't expect to get back to farming any time soon! The eight of us will have our hands full building the Egyptian pyramids! "
History lesson ~~~ Noah and his family did not build the Eqyptian pyramids.
Next time I do sarcasm, remind me to point it out to you.
P
Pauligirl wrote:Intrepid wrote:Pauligirl wrote:
Quote:Noah: "When the ark lands, don't expect to get back to farming any time soon! The eight of us will have our hands full building the Egyptian pyramids! "
History lesson ~~~ Noah and his family did not build the Eqyptian pyramids.
Next time I do sarcasm, remind me to point it out to you.
P
Sorry, I mistakenly took this for a discussion thread.
Pauligirl wrote:real life wrote:Pauligirl wrote:real life wrote:Eorl wrote:patiodog, I agree.
and the dog thing, good symbiotic relationships makes dogs better adapted to a human dominated world, right?
..but what if the bird flu gets us all ?
Who wins wolves v dogs (sans humans) ?
I figure that's what you are saying..."good" adaptation is always relative to surviving another sunset.
Hey RL, who on the ark had the bird flu anyway? Two french hens? And how certain are you that it will not evolve into a human born virus?
edit: caint spel goode
That's a funny question. Did anyone on the ark have the flu? Maybe, but perhaps they were resistant enough to simply carry it and not succumb. No one and no animal on the ark died, at least, during that time.
(I've always had lots of questions about the ark. Many folks believe that representatives of some of the larger species were possibly taken aboard as young or even newborn (almost) to preserve space and food, etc. Some think that hibernation may have helped control some animals for part of the ride and conserve food as well. No way to know for sure, but these would be practical solutions.)
Back to question: Will bird flu be transmitted human-to-human? It's very possible.
I wonder who got the tapeworms and the lice? I also wonder why no one in Egypt and Mesopotamia noticed the flood.
Noah: "When the ark lands, don't expect to get back to farming any time soon! The eight of us will have our hands full building the Egyptian pyramids! "
So, when was that flood?
P
The flood covered Egypt and Mesopotamia as well as the rest of the world. What makes you think Noah built pyramids?
So, when was that flood?
P
Are you asking when the scripture says it happened?
Moses, in the Book of Genesis wrote:And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth.
Apparently this is when. I guess I don't see your point. Couldn't you have found this out by looking it up?
Real Life,
I guess you, like me, don't know sarcasm when you see it
real life wrote:
The flood covered Egypt and Mesopotamia as well as the rest of the world. What makes you think Noah built pyramids?
Quote:So, when was that flood?
P
Are you asking when the scripture says it happened?
Moses, in the Book of Genesis wrote:And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth.
Apparently this is when. I guess I don't see your point. Couldn't you have found this out by looking it up?[/quote]
I know what the scripture says. I was looking for something close to an actual date.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v4/i1/noahs_flood.asp
The Biblical data places the Flood at 2304 BC +/- 11 years.
Do you agree with them?
P
After the world flood, who delivered all the different animals, birds, insects, and plants to the seven continents of the world? The eight humans in Noah's family? How long did that take?
And how did they get there, on a boat that was impossibly unwieldy and slow, over extraordinarily dangerous oceans? And when no-one in the Mideast even knew about the existence of the Americas or Australia, each of which had their own distinct fauna, with fossil evidence stretching back millions of years for the unique animals that lived there.
And what about plant life, which would not have survived more than a month's immersion in saltwater. So Noah would have had to gather a couple million plant specimens too. There are at least 300,000 known species of beetles. And the evidence indicates that there are probably at least two million species (no-one has had the time to categorize all of them, or even a large portion of them yet). So Noah and Ham et al went around on hands and knees collecting a few million beetles? And where did they keep them in the ark? And what about the virtually as numerous ant species, and moths, and butterflies, and the millions of species of other insects. When did they have time to gather all them in the year or so they had? And why on earth did they save mosquitos. Whose idiotic idea was that?
Just from a time-and-labor point of view, not to mention from physics, chemistry, biological, anthropological, and archaeological viewpoints, the whole Noah idea is impossible.
Were they prepared for the rough seas and the changing weather of the Antarctic? How they collect all the different kinds of penguins, then return them to their proper place? How about the elephant seals?
