Evolution? How?

Eorl wrote:

RedRex, you have no "spirit".

Can you prove me wrong?

yes I can...

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..waiting....

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EorI, You'll wait until hell freezes over. You know that, right?

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Yes.

But if he succeeds, I'm planning to split James Randi's million bucks with him Smile

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Adrian wrote:

Well I knew you were being sarcastic Scoates, hence my own sarcasm.

RexRed, I will give you credit for understanding that the intelligent design variant of creationism is the only defendable one.

Thx

Yes what makes it even more astounding is that evolution was long recorded in the Bible and Darwin was not the first to understand evolution...

Also another remarkable thing about Genesis and science is recorded in this verse...

Genesis 1:21
So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

Comment:
The word created is here because ultimately if God created the big bang and because "the waters abounded"... Science believes life came from a pool of water... he created all living things. The key words are "according to their kind". Thus there is something wondrous about this verse... is it saying that before this time (Eden) creatures did not necessarily reproduce offspring according to their own kind? Why would this have to be specified as to creatures reproducing after it's own kind? Why would God "suddenly" declare a law banishing evolution? It is also interesting to note that in six to eight thousand years little has "evolved". As if the earth had finished that phase of it's life cycle. Yes, back in Eden...

The physicists got the big bang from the Bible too...

2 peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Comment:
Elements melting with fervent heat? Great noise = big bang?

plagiarism! hehe

The big bang idea is at least two thousand years old and from the Bible and evolution has been known about for at least four to six thousand years also in the Bible.

Genesis 1:12
And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

Comment:

whose seed is in itself?

what could this mean? Is life in the seed? These are not new concepts. creation and evolution are inseparably tied in millions of years of existence.

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Eorl wrote:

Yes.

But if he succeeds, I'm planning to split James Randi's million bucks with him

Do you want me to speak in tongues? That is the external evidence of the internal reality and presence of the holy spirit... I can speak in tongues at will. But I have not mastered typing in tongues. Smile

but I can prophecy too. I could prophecy to you here in this post. I will refrain though... Can you do these things? If you cannot, maybe it is because you do not have the holy spirit within or you do not know how to operate it. Smile

Have you ever thought of that?

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RexRed wrote:

The big bang idea is at least two thousand years old and from the Bible and evolution has been known about for at least four to six thousand years also in the Bible.

So in some people's minds, the Bible tells the story of a brute force intensive manual labor creation process.

And in other people's minds it tells of the elegance of natural evolution nudged into process by a single Big Bang.

And in your mind it is some mix of both.

I have to ask myself, is a book with that much wiggle room really worth the paper it's written on? I have a hard time seeing what you can learn from something like that.

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Do you want me to speak in tongues? That is the external evidence of the internal reality and presence of the holy spirit... I can speak in tongues at will. But I have not mastered typing in tongues. but I can prophecy too. I could prophecy to you here in this post. I will refrain though... Can you do these things? If you cannot, maybe it is because you do not have the holy spirit within or you do not know how to operate it. Have you ever thought of that?

Excellent! I am impressed. Now about this million bucks...we will go halves.

Go here.... http://skepdic.com/randi.html and take the million bucks away from that gullible pratt.

I expect at least a decent cut...think of it as a "sales lead" for making you aware of it!

And before you tell me you don't need a million bucks, think of all the good you could do with it!

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RexRed wrote:

Eorl wrote:
Yes.

But if he succeeds, I'm planning to split James Randi's million bucks with him

Do you want me to speak in tongues? That is the external evidence of the internal reality and presence of the holy spirit... I can speak in tongues at will. But I have not mastered typing in tongues. but I can prophecy too. I could prophecy to you here in this post. I will refrain though... Can you do these things? If you cannot, maybe it is because you do not have the holy spirit within or you do not know how to operate it. Have you ever thought of that?

Are you feelin' ok Rex? Did you fall off the tractor and bump your head or something? Maine's a nice place, but now you're gettin me a little worried about taking trips up there.

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He can't answer right now Rosbourne, he's off to pick up our cash! Twisted Evil

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Eorl wrote:

He can't answer right now Rosbourne, he's off to pick up our cash!

What did you expect? You ask for evidence of the holy spirit and you don't like the answer... Well I have news for you. That does not make it wrong. You will pay up later...

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Who says I don't like the answer !!!

I LOVE the answer...now where's my share of the cash?

Did you go to the website I gave you? Can you prove you have a spirit? You get the million dollars. I am deadly serious here.

By "prove" I mean "prove" as opposed to....well, any other word you want to substitute.

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Eorl wrote:

Who says I don't like the answer !!!

I LOVE the answer...now where's my share of the cash?

Did you go to the website I gave you? Can you prove you have a spirit? You get the million dollars. I am deadly serious here.

By "prove" I mean "prove" as opposed to....well, any other word you want to substitute.

Speaking in tongues or SIT for short, is the "proof" that someone has holy spirit. You cannot manifest the spirit if you do not have spirit in the first place to manifest...

2 Corinthians 2:13
Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God(speaking in tongues) calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit (speaking in tongues).

Comment:
You are cajoling the Bible not me...

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RexRed wrote:

Also another remarkable thing about Genesis and science is recorded in this verse...

Genesis 1:21
So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

Genesis is amazing. God makes the light on the first day, and the sun moon and stars on the fourth day. But what the hey, what is a day with no sun anyway.

Genesis 1:3-5
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. [Literally, "and the evening was, and the morning was, the first day."]

Genesis 1:16-19
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

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New evidence supports theory on moon's creation
July 28, 1997
Web posted at: 11:45 a.m. EDT (1545 GMT)
DENVER (CNN) -- Scientists at the University of Colorado have found new evidence supporting a theory which says that the moon was born of a collision between the Earth and a planet three times larger than Mars.

Astrophysicist Robin Canup is to present her theory on the moon's birth at a meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Cambridge, Massachusetts, this week.

The "giant impact" theory is not new. In fact, it was developed in the 1970s and was advanced in the late 1980s. But the main problem with the theory was that there wouldn't have been enough material to create Earth's moon.

Canup and her colleagues did some new calculations and determined that the collision was much bigger than previously thought. The scientists say they found that the collision was so big that some of Earth's surface vaporized.

Computer modeling indicates that a "protoplanet" bumbling about the sun between Earth and Mars was the attacker. Material from Earth's surface and mantle spewed into an orbit around Earth.

Canup said the material spread into a gaseous disk that whirled around Earth until it formed several small hot moonlets. They gradually coalesced into the moon.

The scientists say the new results emphasize the major role that chance events play in the history of the solar system.

Theories abound about where in the universe Earth's moon originated, including that it was traveling through space and was captured by Earth's gravity.

An analysis of moon rocks returned to Earth during the U.S. Apollo space program missions has led to general acceptance that the moon is a chip off Earth's shoulder.

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LOL sorry RexRed, it seems there was a misunderstanding.

I meant can you prove to other people that you have a spirit, you meant prove to yourself.

Now, if you cannot prove (to others) that you even have a spirit then you can't hold science at fault for failing to "explain" it can you?

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mesquite wrote:

RexRed wrote:
Also another remarkable thing about Genesis and science is recorded in this verse...

Genesis 1:21
So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

Genesis is amazing. God makes the light on the first day, and the sun moon and stars on the fourth day. But what the hey, what is a day with no sun anyway.

Genesis 1:3-5
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. [Literally, "and the evening was, and the morning was, the first day."]

Genesis 1:16-19
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

When God said, "let there be light", light had already been created... God just spoke it back into being... This light he spoke into being was not physical light but pure intelligence/communication/spiritual light... The word for light is transliterated into the greek from the Hebrew into the word logos. Let there be logos or word. "In the beginning was the logos"... God needed words/light before he dreamt up his human creation...

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What if.........
What if God created the earth with the fossils already in it just to mess with the scientisis minds Question

Just a random thought.

BTW C.I. The moon thing got me thinking about how the moon is set up to orbit the earth at such a precise rotation that the same side of the moon is always facing the earth. I think that is pretty amazing...makes you wonder, but I'm willing to bet that there is a scientific explanation for this also (guess I shouldn't bet on a sure thing :wink: ).

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Eorl wrote:

LOL sorry RexRed, it seems there was a misunderstanding.

I meant can you prove to other people that you have a spirit, you meant prove to yourself.

Now, if you cannot prove (to others) that you even have a spirit then you can't hold science at fault for failing to "explain" it can you?

Jesus couldn't do it (convince the skeptics), look what they did to him? What makes you think I can? He was most certainly a better man than I am... I have proven it to myself? Yea... and people have believed in my lifetime when they have witnessed me speaking in tongues... and more.

The simple law is that a person cannot speak in tongues if they do not have the spirit. If they have the spirit they can. I did not write the Bible so argue that one with God... Now you can spend your lifetime trying to ascertain if this is true but logically I works like power, if you have an outlet hooked to a proper source of electricity it will work...

This spirit (image of God) was what set Adam and Eve apart from the animals. Yet they kept this spirit only on ONE condition, they violated the condition and the spirit died in them.

Jesus Christ brought this spirit back to the world... :wink:

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