Momma Angel wrote:It's not the Bible that has changed at all, it's man that has changed.
Then the conundrum still remains doesn't it. If Man has changed such that the Bible is no longer meaningful, then it's worthless. And if the Bible is the living Word of God, then it must change to retain meaning for us, and yet it hasn't.
rosborne979 wrote:cicerone imposter wrote:rosborne, We've now gone full circle; they finally admitted only god understands the bible. ROFLMAO
And God doesn't even exist. It's like a schizophrenic telling himself the story of his life, and learning from it. Too weird.
Would you like to try to prove your assertion that God doesn't exist?
Better pack a lunch. Gonna be an all day job.
(Hint: You are trying to assert a negative. In doing so, you would have to be omniscient to know if it was true or not. )
Rosbourne 969 Wrote:
Quote:Then the conundrum still remains doesn't it. If Man has changed such that the Bible is no longer meaningful, then it's worthless. And if the Bible is the living Word of God, then it must change to retain meaning for us, and yet it hasn't.
Well, if the Bible was no longer meaningful this might be true. But the Bible is meaningful. It sets down the standards God intended for Man to live by. Man changes it day to day to make wrongs right. God has not changed those things. And why should the Word of God change? I don't get this why non-believers think God is the one that needs to do the changing for us! He created us! Not the other way around.
Rosbourne 969 Wrote:
Quote:Then the conundrum still remains doesn't it. If Man has changed such that the Bible is no longer meaningful, then it's worthless. And if the Bible is the living Word of God, then it must change to retain meaning for us, and yet it hasn't.
Well, if the Bible was no longer meaningful this might be true. But the Bible is meaningful. It sets down the standards God intended for Man to live by. Man changes it day to day to make wrongs right. God has not changed those things. And why should the Word of God change? I don't get this why non-believers think God is the one that needs to do the changing for us! He created us! Not the other way around.
rosborne, Don't you just love it? They can't prove there is a god, but wants you to prove there isn't one. ROFLMAO
Momma Angel wrote:Rosbourne,
If I knew the answer to that I would tell you. I am one that will not tell you evolution is all bunk because I don't know how God actually created everything. I don't know if He just said, "It's there." I don't know if He twitched his nose. I haven't a clue as to how He did it. I just know He did do it.
I wasn't expecting an *answer* Mamma, only an opinion. *Your* opinion. When I ask for an opinion, there is no right or wrong answer. I accept that you don't know how it was done, and that you don't seem to care.
My objection has never been with the concept of god in a general sense, but with the denial of physical reality and science which seems to pervade the minds of more and more fundamentalist christians.
real life wrote:rosborne979 wrote:cicerone imposter wrote:rosborne, We've now gone full circle; they finally admitted only god understands the bible. ROFLMAO
And God doesn't even exist. It's like a schizophrenic telling himself the story of his life, and learning from it. Too weird.
Would you like to try to prove your assertion that God doesn't exist?
Better pack a lunch. Gonna be an all day job.
(Hint: You are trying to assert a negative. In doing so, you would have to be omniscient to know if it was true or not. )
Duh, I know that. But I just like saying it to give CI a thrill. Right CI?
Rosbourne, he works in mysterious ways, his wonders to perform!
(That was the answer that had me walking out on Sunday School )
Momma Angel wrote:Well, if the Bible was no longer meaningful this might be true. But the Bible is meaningful.
I was following the line of reasoning you set down in your own posts Mamma. You are arguing against your previous posts now.
Eorl wrote:Rosbourne, he works in mysterious ways, his wonders to perform!
(That was the answer that had me walking out on Sunday School )
It's a pretty brain dead answer for everything isn't it Eorl. Well worthy of a walk out.
C.I. Wrote:
Quote:rosborne, Don't you just love it? They can't prove there is a god, but wants you to prove there isn't one. ROFLMAO
You are really going to hurt yourself if you keep rolling around on that floor!
Why is it funny? You continually ask us for proof. So, I assume since you offer no proof there is no God that means you can't prove it scientifically just as we can't prove scientifically there is a God?
And I'm not taking any potshots at you C.I. I have been asking you honest straightforward questions and you continually ignore me. Can you explain why that is?
Momma Angel wrote:Why is it funny? You continually ask us for proof. So, I assume since you offer no proof there is no God that means you can't prove it scientifically just as we can't prove scientifically there is a God?
Nobody can prove anything about god, scientifically or otherwise. Deities are outside of science (if they exist). And if they do exist they are outside of proof.
Science never tries to prove anything about god, and just generally doesn't waste time even talking about god. The only people concerned with god are the people who believe in god, many of whom are threatened by science even though it can't possibly threaten the general concept. It's just a comedy of theological paranoia so extreme that it blows the mind.
rosborne979 wrote:Momma Angel wrote:Why is it funny? You continually ask us for proof. So, I assume since you offer no proof there is no God that means you can't prove it scientifically just as we can't prove scientifically there is a God?
Nobody can prove anything about god, scientifically or otherwise. Deities are outside of science (if they exist). And if they do exist they are outside of proof.
Science never tries to prove anything about god, and just generally doesn't waste time even talking about god. The only people concerned with god are the people who believe in god, many of whom are threatened by science even though it can't possibly threaten the general concept. It's just a comedy of theological paranoia so extreme that it blows the mind.
What do you say about great minds like Newton and Einstein who believed in God?
rosborne979 wrote:Momma Angel wrote:Why is it funny? You continually ask us for proof. So, I assume since you offer no proof there is no God that means you can't prove it scientifically just as we can't prove scientifically there is a God?
Nobody can prove anything about god, scientifically or otherwise. Deities are outside of science (if they exist). And if they do exist they are outside of proof.
Science never tries to prove anything about god, and just generally doesn't waste time even talking about god. The only people concerned with god are the people who believe in god, many of whom are threatened by science even though it can't possibly threaten the general concept. It's just a comedy of theological paranoia so extreme that it blows the mind.
Ros,
I can agree with some of that. But, there seem to be quite a few who either don't believe in God or just don't know if there is a God on these threads. And you are right, I don't believe science can threaten the general concept.
"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals Himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings."
- Albert Einstein
"All these things being considered, it seems probable to me, that God in he beginning formed. Matter in solid, massy, hard, impenetrable, moveable particles, of such sizes and figures, and with such other properties, and in such proportion to space, as most conduced to the end for which he formed them; and that these primitive particles, being solids, are incomparably harder than any porous bodies compounded of them; even so very hard, as never to wear or break in pieces; no ordinary power being able to divide what God himself made one in the first creation."
- Isaac Newton
BTW, Isaac Newton considered the ministry at one time, so his religious' beliefs are obvious.
C.I.,
Would you please tell me why you will not acknowledge my questions to you?
Uh, thanks for those quotes, C.I. Wish I knew what your point was, but I can wait.
