Evolution? How?

Jer 5:22 (NIV) "Should you not fear me?" declares the Lord. "Should you not tremble in my presence?"

In Hebrew, yirah (Jon 1:16, Ps 90:11), yare (above, Mal 3:16) and pachad (Job 3:25a, Ps 119:120) mean reverent fear, terror, or dread, normally translated simply fear. There are other words in Hebrew for mere respect, reverence, or honor, such as kabad (Ex 20:12). In Greek fear/terror is phobo (Mat 28:4,1 Pet 2:17c), where reverence or honor is timao (1 Pet 2:17a/d).

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Momma Angel wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
Some of your "beliefs" ARE ridiculous...so it makes sense to ridicule them. In effect...we are not ridiculing them...they are ridiculous in themselves. By dreaming them up...you are ridiculing logic and common sense.

So you really should stop complaining.

Who are you to tell me or anyone else for that matter what is ridiculous? Do I say these things to you?

Oh, I see, if I didn't think such ridiculous things then you wouldn't have to ridicule them? Isn't that kind of like she deserved to be raped because she wore a short skirt?

Be a man! At least take responsibility for your own actions. Do not blame me because you ridicule me.

And I am not complaining. I am telling you that you are offending me and you obviously don't care.

You are the one always saying the proper thing to do is to respect other people's take on things.

I think that notion is a bunch of nonsense.

I am acting in conformity with what I state my philosophy to be. I am withholding respect from "beliefs" and "takes" that I think are unworthy of respect.

You on the other hand are acting in direct defiance of your stated philosophy.

Why is that?

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Did you know the fear of the LORD is His treasure? (Isa 33:6)

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Direct defiance of my stated philosphy? Would you care to expand on that?

Fear = awe and reverence

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Momma Angel wrote:

Direct defiance of my stated philosphy? Would you care to expand on that?

Fear = awe and reverence

Yes.

You are always spouting comments that require each of us to "respect" each others "beliefs." That is your stated philosophy.

A person's "beliefs" are that person's personal take on things.

Now...I have offered my "take on things"...and you are getting into an uproar over my take...and you are not showing "my take" any respect.

That is in direct defiance of your stated philosophy.

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Don't you just love it how religionists try to redefine words?

"fear - A feeling of alarm or disquiet caused by the expectation of danger, pain, disaster, or the like; terror; dread; apprehension."

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Frank,

You are playing a game and you know it. When I say respect your take on things I don't have to mean I agree with them. Just because I don't agree with them doesn't mean I don't respect your right to have them.

I have not called your beliefs ridiculous, as you have called mine. That's all I meant.

When Christians speak of fearing God, we are talking about the awesomeness of God. We are not afraid of God.

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"respect - To feel or show esteem for; to honor."

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HOw many definitions are there for "respect" according to christians?

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Momma Angel wrote:

Frank,

You are playing a game and you know it. When I say respect your take on things I don't have to mean I agree with them. Just because I don't agree with them doesn't mean I don't respect your right to have them.

I'm not playing a game, MA...although I am trying to point out what I perceive to be an error in your thinking.

I don't think you should "respect" my take on things at all. I honestly do not "respect" yours...and that is not meant as an insult...it is simply telling you the truth.

I think that the Christian "take on things"...particularly the kind of Christian "take on things" that you exhibit...

...are a net negative for humankind...and I think every well-intentioned individual in the world should be doing as much as possible to eliminate it.

I love you, MA...just as I loved my Mom when she was alive and spouting the same nonsense you do. I love my aunts and cousins who are Christians (but who do not indulge themselves like you do).

But I abhor what your religion does to humanity...and I will continue to fight it with every means at my disposal.

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I have not called your beliefs ridiculous, as you have called mine. That's all I meant.

Okay.

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When Christians speak of fearing God, we are talking about the awesomeness of God. We are not afraid of God.

Well...considering the god you think exists...I would suggest you change your attitude and fear the god with all the fear you can muster. That god is a very fearsome god!

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cicerone imposter wrote:

"What fears?"

THESE:

Proverbs 28:14

Blessed is the man who always fears; but one who hardens his heart falls into trouble. (WEB)

Happy is the man that feareth alway; But he that hardeneth his heart shall fall into mischief. (ASV)

Happy is the man in whom is the fear of the Lord at all times; but he whose heart is hard will come into trouble. (BBE)

Happy is the man that feareth always; but he that hardeneth his heart shall fall into evil. (DBY)

Happy is the man that feareth alway: but he that hardeneth his heart shall fall into mischief. (KJV)

Happy is the man that feareth always: but he that hardeneth his heart shall fall into mischief. (WBS)

Happy is the man that feareth alway; but he that hardeneth his heart shall fall into evil. (JPS)

O the happiness of a man fearing continually, And whoso is hardening his heart falleth into evil. (YLT)

Did I miss any interpretation/revision?

Hey, did you do that research all by yourself or did you get somebody to do it for you? You may also want to give a detailed explanation of the writer's intent on the topic. No cheating.... do it by yourself without help from any little children.

Oh, you forgot the NKJV....
Happy is the man who is always reverent,
But he who hardens his heart will fall into calamity.

You may also want to read the entire chapter to get an understanding of what this is all about. Hint.....The pursuit of frivolity.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Jer 5:22 (NIV) "Should you not fear me?" declares the Lord. "Should you not tremble in my presence?"

In Hebrew, yirah (Jon 1:16, Ps 90:11), yare (above, Mal 3:16) and pachad (Job 3:25a, Ps 119:120) mean reverent fear, terror, or dread, normally translated simply fear. There are other words in Hebrew for mere respect, reverence, or honor, such as kabad (Ex 20:12). In Greek fear/terror is phobo (Mat 28:4,1 Pet 2:17c), where reverence or honor is timao (1 Pet 2:17a/d).

Do you think that you can pick out particular verses and suppose to know what fear is? First of all, you have to determine what the intent of the verse was about. In Jeremiah 5:22 it pertains to the people forsaking God and turning to foreign gods. He speaks of people with a defiant and rebellious heart...

In the Evolution? How? thread you talk about evidence and now you pick snippets from the bible and propose to know what you are talking about. Laughing

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Did you know the fear of the LORD is His treasure? (Isa 33:6)

Why didn't you quote the whole verse rather than a couple of words from the end? What is your purpose? You present a pathetic knowledge of the bible. Perhaps that is because you openly despise it. Only can only wonder what you are trying to achieve by posting small portions of verses without comment. Do you really expect to be taken seriously?

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We've been down this raod before, Intrepid. There's a disconnect for faithless people. Has to do with being clueless about the fear of the Lord being the beginning of understanding.

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Frank Apisa Wrote:

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I'm not playing a game, MA...although I am trying to point out what I perceive to be an error in your thinking.

I don't think you should "respect" my take on things at all. I honestly do not "respect" yours...and that is not meant as an insult...it is simply telling you the truth.

I think that the Christian "take on things"...particularly the kind of Christian "take on things" that you exhibit...

...are a net negative for humankind...and I think every well-intentioned individual in the world should be doing as much as possible to eliminate it.

I love you, MA...just as I loved my Mom when she was alive and spouting the same nonsense you do. I love my aunts and cousins who are Christians (but who do not indulge themselves like you do).

But I abhor what your religion does to humanity...and I will continue to fight it with every means at my disposal.

And just what kind of "take on things" have I exhibited, Frank? You find, peace, love, kindness, forgiveness, and courtesy a bad thing? You find my strength in my faith a bad thing? You find the way I don't ridicule your take on things a bad thing? What have I exhibited that is so bad?

And what does "but who do not indulge themselves like you do" mean? I'm leaning on taking that as a compliment. Why should I disrespect what your take on things is? I just disagree with you. Nothing more, nothing less.

I guess what really puzzles me the most is you rail against the Christians you say try to force our religion down your throat. I have not done that. Intrepid has not done that. Real Life has not done that. But, you have tried to force your take on who and what God is on us.

The more you rail against Him, the stronger I get for Him.

Evenin' Snood! Good to see you!

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Only can only wonder what you are trying to achieve by posting small portions of verses without comment. Do you really expect to be taken seriously?

DONT like quote mining when its turned on you. Calm Down its only a discussion. Problem with the Bible is that its meant to be quote mined. There usually is quite a bit of "stand alone" verse whcih has given the Fundamentalists a lot of mileage on their own. How the Pentateuch has been revised over time to pave way for a Valid New Testament has always amazed me.

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farmerman wrote:

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Only can only wonder what you are trying to achieve by posting small portions of verses without comment. Do you really expect to be taken seriously?

DONT like quote mining when its turned on you. Calm Down its only a discussion. Problem with the Bible is that its meant to be quote mined. There usually is quite a bit of "stand alone" verse whcih has given the Fundamentalists a lot of mileage on their own. How the Pentateuch has been revised over time to pave way for a Valid New Testament has always amazed me.

How has it been turned on me? Why do you say that it is meant to be quote mined? Should we pick and choose parts of lines out of your geology books or any science book? Why the bible? I don't know what the "Fundamentalists" do with it, but I prefer to take the book as a whole rather than a patchwork.

A lot of things have been revived over time. We no longer hear of the world being flat or the sun circling the earth or sea monsters eating up ships. Well, we may hear about them but we know that they are not true. Are they?

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Im still waiting for my Uncle Reuben to return from the Phillipines in his trawler the "Parvis T Wartbone" However that may be another thread entirely.

Im in a spendius mode mood tonite. I just saw a quote mine job and thought it amusing on the other end.

As a matter of fact , a number of Young Earth Creationists have been mining quotes from Hutton, Gould, Dawkins, Futuyama, and a bunch of others. I just took it and spit back at em. Just as you did.

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cicerone imposter wrote:
farmerman, If we think about it, it's really sad how creationists continue to refute evolution based on their fears. The recent finds of insects and animals in the caves of Tennessee is an excellent example of evolution. Since they live in a pitch-dark environment, they have learned to survive without eyes, and their other senses have become more accute - not only to survive from preditors, but also to find food. The only difference between their surface cousins and the darkness survivors are all necessitated for survival. Amazing stuff.

Intrepid wrote:
Why is it sad, CI? What fears?

Fears as mentioned in the bible. What'sa matta, you no like-a the bible quotes? LOL

If you're gonna ask a question, I'm a gonna try to answer. You no like-a that?

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If you don't like the answers in the bible, that's your problem.

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