Evolution? How?

neologist,

Why are you concerned about the biblical definition of "kind"? Were bible verses ever intended for the purpose of making scientific assertions?

"The bible contains an explanation of why we have war and crime and sickness and death..."

You mean to imply man wasn't able to arrive at these on our own? I believe these situations for man were long in the world before jesus appeared in the bible. LOL

real, Here's a link provided by pauligirl that lists the evidence for evolution. It should keep you busy for a few days if you actually read and learn from it. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/04/index.html

We wouldn't want to give any budding scientists in the next generation the notion that they should ask any difficult or potentially embarrassing questions. That would never do.

There is no "and," it just is! Your god did not foresee anything; how can he? He's the creation of man himself! LOL

real life wrote:

We wouldn't want to give any budding scientists in the next generation the notion that they should ask any difficult or potentially embarrassing questions. That would never do.

I am sure scientists will always ask relevant questions. What we don't want is to give young students the grossly false impression that creationism has equal standing with evolutionary theory.

wandeljw wrote:

real life wrote:

We wouldn't want to give any budding scientists in the next generation the notion that they should ask any difficult or potentially embarrassing questions. That would never do.

I am sure scientists will always ask relevant questions. What we don't want is to give young students the grossly false impression that creationism has equal standing with evolutionary theory.

Those who have a vested interest in their positions will always avoid relevant questions. That goes for the priests and the politicians as well as the pointy headed intellectuals.

This may be a bit unfair but Id like to hear about 1 advance that has come about directly related to Creationist views .

your begging the point. Try in todays world when the lines of "Creationist" and "Science" are clearly drawn.

My question has to do with SCientific accomplishments "DUE" to Creationist views. Interesting that you brought up Pasteur and Newton since both were putatively , deists and Pasteur may have been agnostic (raised as an RC, its not hard to believe)

farmerman wrote:

This may be a bit unfair but Id like to hear about 1 advance that has come about directly related to Creationist views .

Scientists who believed God created the world? Let's see. Can we start with Newton and Pasteur?

real life wrote:

farmerman wrote:

This may be a bit unfair but Id like to hear about 1 advance that has come about directly related to Creationist views .

Scientists who believed God created the world? Let's see. Can we start with Newton and Pasteur?

Belief in God and Creationism are not the same thing. The word "God" means very different things to people (I started a thread on this particular topic).

Creationism, in common US usage, is a much more narrow view of events than a general belief in a God.

It's pretty clear that Farmerman was asking for scientific contributions from Creationists of the type which most of these threads (including this one) are talking about.

neologist wrote:

Those who have a vested interest in their positions will always avoid relevant questions. That goes for the priests and the politicians as well as the pointy headed intellectuals.

neologist,
Does your response have anything to do with scientists?

wand, Neologist skirts everything provided to refute his creationist beliefs, because his world would crumble to dust, and that puts the "fear of god" (a language he understands) in him.