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Democratisation in the Middle East - the debate

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2005 01:43 pm
Joh 2:4
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2005 01:45 pm
Craven.

Make him stop talking in code!

<hee>
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Francis
 
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Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2005 01:47 pm
2:4 Tu m'as jeté dans l'abîme, dans le cœur de la mer Laughing
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2005 01:48 pm
Laughing
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2005 01:49 pm
Him, too!!!

They must have learned it at the substandard school they attended, when they should have been learning about the bloodthirsty Robespierre, and his evil minions.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2005 01:51 pm
Yes, lash - Jesus was a lefty.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2005 01:51 pm
"You threw me in the abyss, in the cœur of the sea."
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Francis
 
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Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2005 01:52 pm
I even dont got to school.. Laughing
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2005 01:55 pm
Yeah. It's Job, CI.

I'm teasing. My last resort.
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2005 01:57 pm
Actually.




Jesus was likely a leftie...in some ways. But, that's beside the point.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2005 01:58 pm
Lash wrote:
Actually.




Jesus was likely a leftie...in some ways. But, that's beside the point.


Besides that there have been noted above some quotations from the bible - yes, of course.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2005 02:23 pm
Bushie does good in Lebanon.

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Under Western Eyes
Bush has gotten it right in Lebanon.
By Michael Young
Posted Wednesday, May 25, 2005, at 8:36 AM PT
Slate

Several weeks ago, during a debate in Lebanon's parliament, a Maronite Christian parliamentarian from the heartland launched a tirade against Syria. The speaker of parliament, a favored minion of Damascus, demanded that the offending words be stricken from the record. The parliamentarian turned to him, and in a high rustic twang, asked, "Why are you so scared? They're leaving."

They were indeed, and as Lebanon this weekend begins an election that will take place on four consecutive Sundays, it has embarked on a process of rejuvenation that has at several levels involved the international community, particularly the United States. Those who accuse the Bush administration of incompetence in the Middle East because of events in Iraq may soon have to temper that with an assessment of its shrewder behavior in Lebanon.

Lebanon is today under de facto international trusteeship, and the mainstays of that order, ironically, correspond to what the Bush administration's critics would have regarded as ideal in Iraq: The United Nations is involved; the United States and the Europeans are reading from the same songbook; the administration has not used military force; and a heinous crime may one day be punished. Most important, change came through a combination of outside and domestic pressures, so even compulsive foes of U.S. unilateralism might approve.

The resolution was ignored by Syrian President Bashar Assad, who until early this year believed, disastrously, that it was merely a ploy to force Syria to bend to U.S. demands in Iraq.

Once former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri was killed on Feb. 14, implementation of the resolution became an international priority. Syria was held responsible for the murder, and an American and French ultimatum, a Saudi threat, Egyptian displeasure, and a month of mass demonstrations inside Lebanon forced Assad to order his troops home. Hardly a shot was fired, and while a series of mysterious bomb blasts went off in Beirut's suburbs, they only isolated Syria further, though it was never quite clear who was behind the explosions.

Meanwhile, the United Nations investigated Hariri's murder. A preliminary report blamed Syria and the Lebanese security services for the political climate leading up to the death, strongly implied they were directly responsible, and accused the Lebanese authorities of engaging in a cover-up. The United Nations will begin a broader inquiry within weeks and has a three- to six-month deadline to report on its findings. In an unheard-of development in the Middle East, several Lebanese intelligence and security chiefs suspected of involvement in or responsibility for the crime were forced to resign thanks to a perfect storm of national and foreign outrage.

The third instance of international involvement has been more ambiguous but no less significant. The law governing Lebanese parliamentary elections, a gerrymandered mishmash prepared by the Syrians for the 2000 poll, has provoked divisiveness. However, the U.S. and French embassies, as well as the United Nations, have played a key role in persuading Lebanon's politicians and religious leaders to avoid delaying elections until after a better law could be passed. The reason is that no accord might soon ensue. As one diplomat told me, "We have evidence this process would be delayed indefinitely [by Syria's local allies], allowing Damascus to reimpose a measure of control."

The election will be a triumph for the Hariri movement, now led by Rafik Hariri's son, Saadeddine. He, too, benefited from international deal-making, having been "appointed" in April by Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah to lead the family. The Saudi prince also furnished international legitimacy by having Saadeddine meet French President Jacques Chirac and U.S. President George W. Bush on the margins of the prince's own meetings. The young Hariri will probably be Lebanon's next prime minister, giving the Saudis a new "strong Sunni" in Beirut, even as they look warily at Iraq's Shiite resurrection.

The fourth example of international involvement, and the thorniest, is disarming Hezbollah. For the moment, the party refuses to hand over its weapons and is trying to use a variety of means, including the forthcoming elections, to further anchor itself into Lebanon's political system. Getting Hezbollah to accept Resolution 1559 will take time and threats, but also flexibility. To be successful, the international effort must dovetail with domestic endorsement of the effort. Most Lebanese want to see an unarmed Hezbollah, but they don't want violence to be used to achieve this.

(HURRAY!!!!)

In 1982, after Israel's invasion, Lebanon also benefited from international assistance to help it back on its feet. This effort turned into a debacle after the October 1983 suicide bombing against a U.S. Marine base in Beirut. The United States withdrew because Lebanon wasn't seen as being worth the cost. Things have changed. With Iraq a lasting headache, President Bush wants post-Syria Lebanon to get it right so he can show that peaceful, U.S.-assisted democratic change in the Middle East works. Some critics deem this a new form of hegemony. Nonsense. The Lebanese recall that international indifference is what pushed them into Syria's suffocating arms in the first place.
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With the Bush leadership--or not--this is great news!!!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2005 02:41 pm
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New start in Lebanon is slowed by old rules

By Hassan Fattah The New York Times
SATURDAY, MAY 28, 2005


BEIRUT Campaign banners dangled across Beirut streets and images of pensive candidates were plastered on walls throughout the city this week as Lebanon prepared for the start of parliamentary elections on Sunday.

Yet despite the trappings of an election, the one thing missing from this ballot vote has been campaigning itself.

Lebanon goes to the polls to elect a new Parliament free of Syrian interference. Beginning in Beirut, the elections will continue over four successive Sundays in different parts of the country to elect a new 128-member legislature that will choose a new cabinet and presumably begin to tackle Lebanon's major problems.

But after months of street rallies, international crises and political intrigue, the country's polls are proving an anticlimax for many here. The popular uprisings and the sense of a dramatic change have largely been overtaken by familiar politics and the sense that little may in fact have changed.

"It's very bewildering because it's not really an election this year," said Paul Salem, a onetime political analyst who is running for an orthodox seat in the town of Khoura. "If it was my district I would normally be running a campaign, but instead I have to convince the bosses that run the lists."

Save for a few singular campaign events held for select groups, there has been little effort to reach the average voter here, many candidates admit.

Instead, most campaigning has amounted to a series of backroom deals to tie up with lists that seek to pool votes for greatest effect. That has resulted in ironic twists in which alliances tie up in one town but stand opposed in others.

Lebanon's elections, like its politics, are a labyrinth of sectarian division and time-honored tradition. The 128-member Parliament is evenly split between Christians and Muslims, while the country's demographic distribution is widely different. In effect it means that Christians, who make up less than 40 percent of the population, have far more influence in Parliament than Muslims, with almost 60 percent.

In each voting district, seats are allotted to specific sects like Shiite, Maronite or Druse, and candidates from each sect can compete only for seats assigned to their sect. Voters, meanwhile, must return to the villages of their forefathers rather than voting where they live.

Adding to the complexity of the process are the electoral lists and alliances that have no legal standing but largely define the blocs in Parliament. Voters can strike out names from the ballots and substitute others, allowing them to mix and match from the lists.

Yet the assassination of former Prime Minister Rafik Hariri in February and the political turmoil that followed have added an entirely new dimension to the election. Voting will be held under a controversial 2000 law that gerrymandered districts to best suit Syria's Lebanese allies in Parliament.

The law makes for just five electoral districts and essentially quashes the ability of some communities, especially Christian, to elect local candidates.

"With this law, we will continue to have the same forces that ran the country for the past 15 years," said General Michel Aoun, the Christian opposition leader who returned from exile earlier this month. "These elections will not produce the free and fair elections that we want. But we cannot stop now."

The delay in adopting the election law, which was finalized about two weeks ago, has further hampered matters by leaving most candidates with only two weeks to campaign. While the machinery of the large block has managed to work up in time, a handful of independent candidates have had a difficult time getting their campaigns running.

"It's a farce in any country to have an election in 20 days," said Adnan Arakji, who is leading an independent campaign against the Hariri list.

"How could you possibly talk to the millions who came down to Martyrs' Square in just 20 days?" he asked, speaking of the young protesters who gathered in downtown Beirut. Instead, candidates have scrambled to join alliances, many with onetime enemies, for greatest political gain.

"If you go into a parliamentary election, whatever election law you have, you have to make alliances," said Saad Hariri, scion of the late prime minister and leader of the Future Movement.

The real election battle will emerge in voting in the Christian-dominated Mount Lebanon region in two weeks, when several Christian leaders will vie for leadership.

"There is basically no contest among the Sunnis or among the Shiites," said Joseph Samaha, editor in chief of the Beirut daily As-Safir. "The real question is what happens to the Christians."
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2005 08:28 pm
Lebanon Heads to the Polls Tomorrow!

As Walter's previous article states--No more Syria pulling strings in Lebanon! Now they'll have their very own corrupt politicians.

<A step in the right direction.>

:wink:
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2005 10:16 pm
Ain't that what "democracy" is all about?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 29 May, 2005 01:39 pm
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Opposition claims Beirut election

A leading opposition bloc in Lebanon says its candidates have won all the seats in the capital, Beirut, in a landmark parliamentary election.
Beirut voters took part in the first poll to be held for more than 30 years without Syrian troops in the country.

People in the rest of Lebanon will cast ballots over the next three Sundays.

The anti-Syrian opposition in the capital is led by Saad Hariri, the son of the assassinated former Prime Minister, Rafik Hariri.

Syrian troops withdrew last month, following a wave of opposition protests blaming Damascus for the killing in February. Syria denies any involvement.

Even before voting began, nine out of 12 Beirut seats had gone unchallenged to the Martyr Rafik Hariri list.

The BBC's Jim Muir in Beirut says turnout appears to have been low - especially in Christian parts of town where some regarded the vote as a foregone conclusion.

'New political reality'

Polling to choose 128 MPs will take place over the coming weeks, with seats allocated to equal numbers of Christians and Muslims.


Next Sunday the voting will shift to the south of the country.

The two main Shia groups, Hezbollah and Amal, have formed the Resistance, Liberation and Development list, and are expected to win most of the seats there.

Our correspondent says the main competition is likely to be within the Maronite Christian camp.

Leading Christian opposition figure Michel Aoun - who has many supporters in the north - is heading his own election list after failing to agree on a broad opposition alliance.

The election has been light on issues and heavy on horse-trading between the factions that have dominated the country's politics for decades, our correspondent says.

But the election will consolidate a new political reality largely free from Syrian interference, he says.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 29 May, 2005 02:10 pm
<chillbumps again>

<I've been having extraordinary chillbumps this year>

Hariri!!!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 29 May, 2005 02:19 pm
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'We Don't Want Wars'

Saad Hariri on filling the shoes of his murdered father.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 29 May, 2005 02:43 pm
Chillbumps...weeee!

From Walter's wonderful article:

What about the future relationship with the United States?

We have had always very good relations with the United States and we should make them even better.

The U.S. labels Hizbullah a terrorist organization. And a key U.S. demand is that Hizbullah be disarmed.

We will disarm them. We will sit and talk to them and we will come to a solution.


Do you see any future relationship between your country and Israel?

I think the peace process, the Arab initiative that Crown Prince Abdullah launched in 2002, was something very serious. We would like to have peace with Israel. We don't want wars. We hope that the peace process moves ahead with us, with the Syrians, with all the Arab countries.
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<smiles beatifically>
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2005 03:40 pm
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Published: 2005/05/30

Opposition triumph in Beirut poll

By Jim Muir
BBC News, Beirut


Lebanon's anti-Syrian alliance has swept the board in the first round of general elections, officials say.
Amidst a low turnout, the coalition headed by the son of murdered former Prime Minister Rafiq Hariri took all 19 seats in the capital Beirut.


Pro-Syrian Shia groups are tipped to fare better in next Sunday's second round of voting in the south.

But the country-wide result is expected to see a big parliamentary majority for Syria's opponents.

Voter apathy

Announcing the official results, the interior minister confirmed that the list headed by Saad Hariri had easily captured all 10 of the contested Beirut seats.

The other nine seats in the capital had already been won by default before the voting even began.

Mr Hariri himself won the highest personal score of votes.

But this was not the ringing endorsement that the anti-Syrian alliance had been looking for.

The turnout, at about 27%, was lower than in the last elections - when Syrian troops were still around and Syrian influence was still strong.

Voter apathy was clearly a factor, with many people feeling that the results had been stitched up in advance.

The same factors also prompted boycott calls by former General Michel Aoun, who fought the Syrians in the late 1980s, and by one of the big Armenian parties.

But the minister said the elections had passed off completely peacefully, except for one small fracas between supporters of rival parties.

That is one of the major achievements of this process - left to their own devices following the Syrian troop withdrawal last month, the Lebanese have steered away from violence as a way of settling their differences.

The minister said he hoped the mentality of war was finished for good.

But the low turnout carried a clear message of public dissatisfaction with a highly sectarian political system which allows the clan and factional leaders to strike deals and alliances which leave voters with few real choices.

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