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Padilla must be charged or freed

 
 
Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2005 10:56 am
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/01/padilla.ruling/

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(CNN) -- Calling the case a "law enforcement matter, not a military matter," a federal judge in South Carolina has ruled that the U.S. government cannot continue to hold "enemy combatant" Jose Padilla without charging him with a crime.

The ruling says the government has 45 days to do so or Padilla would be eligible for release. The government vowed to appeal the ruling.

The order from U.S. District Judge Henry Floyd sided with defense attorneys who advanced that argument in a hearing last month in Spartanburg, South Carolina, the jurisdiction where Padilla has been detained for 2 1/2 years as a military prisoner.

The Supreme Court ordered last June that the challenge, which originated in New York, be heard there.

Padilla, a 34-year-old American suspected of plotting with al Qaeda to detonate a radioactive "dirty bomb" and to blow up apartment buildings in the United States, was arrested in May 2002 upon landing on an overseas flight to Chicago.

He was initially transferred to New York as a material witness in the grand jury investigation into the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks and has never faced criminal charges.

"His alleged terrorist plans were thwarted at the time of his arrest. There were no impediments whatsoever to the government bringing charges against him for any one or all of the array of heinous crimes that he has been effectively accused of committing," Judge Floyd found.

"Since (Padilla's) alleged terrorist plans were thwarted when he was arrested on the material witness warrant, the court finds that the president's subsequent decision to detain (him) as an enemy combatant was neither necessary nor appropriate," the judge wrote.

It was one month after Padilla's arrest when President Bush declared him a "grave threat" to national security and transferred him to military custody at the Charleston Naval Brig in South Carolina. Padilla was denied access to an attorney for two years.

Padilla defense attorney Donna Newman applauded Monday's ruling, saying it "is confirmation that the Constitution is alive and well and kicking."

"If you want to hold him, you have to charge him with a crime," she said.

Justice Department spokesman John Nowacki said, "We will appeal the judge's decision."

The case would likely be heard next by the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond.

The government has argued that the president's constitutional authority as commander-in-chief and Congress's authorization for the use of military force against the perpetrators of the Sept. 11 attacks are lawful grounds for Bush's action.

But Floyd drew a distinction between combatants captured during military operations abroad and suspected terrorists arrested on American soil.

He relied on the Supreme Court's ruling in the parallel enemy combatant case of Yaser Hamdi, in which the majority decision declared a "state of war is not a blank check for the president when it comes to the rights of the nation's citizens." Both Hamdi and Padilla are U.S. citizens.

"To be more specific," Floyd wrote, "whereas it may be a necessary and appropriate use of force to detain a United States citizen who is captured on the battlefield, this court cannot find, in narrow circumstances presented in this case, that the same is true when a United States citizen is arrested in a civilian setting such as an United States airport."

The high court has held the president does have the authority to detain "enemy combatants" captured on the battlefield, but even then the detainee is entitled to a fact-finding hearing. The government avoided such a hearing in Hamdi's case by releasing him to his native Saudi Arabia last October.

Padilla's attorneys have always maintained that presidential authority does not extend to American citizens caught on American soil, and unlike Hamdi, who was allegedly carrying a Kalashnikov assault rifle and traveling with Taliban troops, Padilla was carrying no weapons and wearing civilian clothes.

"It is true that, under some circumstances, such as those present in Hamdi, the president can indeed hold an United States citizen as an enemy combatant. Just because something is sometimes true, however, does not mean that it is always true," Floyd wrote.

"The president's use of force to capture Mr. Hamdi was necessary and appropriate. Here, that same use of force was not," the judge wrote.

Floyd said if the purpose of Padilla's indefinite detention is to prevent him from rejoining his alleged al Qaeda confederates, then the president ought to ask Congress to pass a law allowing him to do so.

"If the law in its current state is found by the president to be insufficient to protect this country from terrorist plots, such as the one alleged here, then the president should prevail upon Congress to remedy the problem," Floyd wrote.

"It is true that there may be times during which it is necessary to give the executive branch greater power than at other times. Such a granting of power, however, is in the province of the legislature and no one else -- not the court and not the president," he wrote.


Finally, a check and a balance.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2005 11:00 am
Finally indeed.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2005 11:38 am
It's a sticky one, He's giving up good Intell... and if they charge him all that info becomes available to the courts etc.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2005 12:05 pm
I bet Bush, Rumsfeld and the Attorney Generals (former and current) just hate it when the Constitution rears its ugly head.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2005 12:12 pm
DrewDad wrote:
I bet Bush, Rumsfeld and the Attorney Generals (former and current) just hate it when the Constitution rears its ugly head.


Since they are sworn to defend it, I bet they are glad to see it. They probably visit it every tuesday at 4:00 and share an afternoon tea with it.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2005 12:20 pm
...and stroke it gently and whisper in its ear...
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2005 12:51 pm
...right as the dagger goes in the back.

These guys lie, cheat, and steal on a regular basis. They have oaths that reach far higher than the ones they took to defend the constitution.

Cycloptichorn
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2005 02:37 pm
They are sworn to uphold the Constitution, yet they seek to hold a US citizen in gulag, without charge, without trial. Good job there, guys.





They seem to view laws as obstacles to be overcome rather than principles to be followed. Witness the torture memo from our illustrious AG.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2005 02:40 pm
gulag?

Nattering nabobs...
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2005 02:41 pm
Tittering tiboobs....
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2005 02:57 pm
Every US citizen must be afforded the full protection of the Constitution. No one should be held for long without charges. The abridgement of one person's Constitutional rights is a slippery slope leading inevitably to tyranny. That being said, I just hope he doesn't get involved in some other terrorist plot and kill a lot of people, when he's released.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2005 03:00 pm
Why would he be released? Why wouldn't they bring charges against him and try him in federal court?
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Brand X
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2005 03:16 pm
FreeDuck wrote:
Why would he be released? Why wouldn't they bring charges against him and try him in federal court?


Because they don't want the info he gave to be public.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2005 03:33 pm
Why not? How could he have any fresh info when he was picked up almost 3 years ago? Certainly they have already acted on any intelligence he gave them.
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revel
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2005 07:51 am
I know that the idea that the terrorist will go out and commit new crimes is a problem and so is airing intelligence information. But like Kara said on another thread, what about the innocents in this? Is it fair to hold them forever? What ever happened to the concept of speedy trials? Why can't there be private trials by a jury of their peers with full access to lawyers for the defendants? Maybe the jury has to sign some kind of oath or something.

I am just wondering where all the people with brains has gone who should be able to figure all this stuff out.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2005 08:29 am
Does it bother any of the liberals here that Padilla is repeatedly called "the innocent" while Gannon is nothing more than a whore?
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Brand X
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2005 08:30 am
McGentrix wrote:
Does it bother any of the liberals here that Padilla is repeatedly called "the innocent" while Gannon is nothing more than a whore?


Laughing
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2005 08:33 am
McGentrix wrote:
Does it bother any of the liberals here that Padilla is repeatedly called "the innocent" while Gannon is nothing more than a whore?


Who called Padilla innocent?

Though, technically, I could make a case that he's innocent until proven guilty, I don't recall hearing anyone say that he was indeed believed to be innocent.
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2005 08:34 am
Did you know that Padilla's name is pronounced pa dilla and not pa deel ya like the press and everyone else has been pronouncing it?

The reason no one knew this bit of information is because no one has been able to talk to him.

How would you like to have your name mispronounced for such a lengthy period of time?

And, yes, Gannon is a cheap whore.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2005 08:35 am
Revel did 3 posts up.

revel wrote:
I know that the idea that the terrorist will go out and commit new crimes is a problem and so is airing intelligence information. But like Kara said on another thread, what about the innocents in this? Is it fair to hold them forever? What ever happened to the concept of speedy trials? Why can't there be private trials by a jury of their peers with full access to lawyers for the defendants? Maybe the jury has to sign some kind of oath or something.

I am just wondering where all the people with brains has gone who should be able to figure all this stuff out.
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