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Thu 10 Feb, 2005 08:01 pm
Quote:Federal officials were repeatedly warned in the months before the 11 September 2001 terror attacks that Osama bin Laden and al-Qa'ida were planning aircraft hijackings and suicide attacks, according to a new report that the Bush administration has been suppressing.
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The latest pages note that of the FAA's 105 daily intelligence summaries between 1 April 2001 and 10 September 2001, 52 of them mentioned Osama bin Laden, al-Qa'ida, or both. The report also concludes that officials did not expand the use of in-flight air marshals or tighten airport screening for weapons. It said FAA officials were more concerned with reducing airline congestion, lessening delays and easing air carriers' financial problems than thwarting a terrorist attack.
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To the consternation of members of the commission who published the original report last year, the administration has been blocking the release of the latest information. An unclassified copy of this additional appendix was passed to the National Archives two weeks ago with large portions blacked out.
Gee, what could Bush possibly be hiding now?
Dookiestix wrote:Gee, what could Bush possibly be hiding now?
What ever your little mind can dream up of course.
Hindsight is always 20/20 as they say.
What could the FAA had done when the hijackers were already in the country, and used BOX CUTTERS as the weapon of choice.
Had the Govt started "frisking" Middle Eastern looking folks, the ACLU would have gone "nuts" since the Govt could not show probable cause for the profiling.
However, this information should have been released with the rest of the Commission report.
The simple changing of doors to the cockpit, which has taken place since then, would have been enough to prevent 9/11. It could have been done quietly, so as to not alarm the public or put the terrorists on notice.
Of course, we didn't know the method they would use, but we know that if their plan is to blow up a plane, bomb sniffing dogs could have been utilized. If their plan was to hijack, the reinforced door was all that was needed.
squinney wrote:The simple changing of doors to the cockpit, which has taken place since then, would have been enough to prevent 9/11. It could have been done quietly, so as to not alarm the public or put the terrorists on notice.
Of course, we didn't know the method they would use, but we know that if their plan is to blow up a plane, bomb sniffing dogs could have been utilized. If their plan was to hijack, the reinforced door was all that was needed.
1. You do not need to get to the pilot to hi-jack a plane.
2. No cockpit door will prevent one from blowing the thing up.
3. Bomb sniffing dogs would not prevent box cutters.
4. Nothing gets done quietly when racial profiling is the solution.
Most reasonable people will understand this.
What I do not understand is why this information was withheld. It is not as damaging as the media and the liberals make it out to be.
I concur, it's just more hindsight woulda shoulda coulda...blah blah blah.
How do you not need cockpit control to hijack a plane? Well i guess you can keep the passengers in 'custody' but the pilots will still fly the plane to their destinated location or an emergency location, and terrorists wouldn't be able to do much. They going to pull out their box cutters and bleed the reinforced door? I don't think so.
I suppose some-one could have connected the 'hijack planes and use them as bombs' with the oddly disturbing fact that Saudi nationals, who weren't planning to become commercial pilots, were learning how to fly jumbo jets in Florida.
There is also the interesting fact that in spite of protocols and personnel to deal with hijacked airlines, again no-one bothered to put them into operation. The nation's pre-schoolers DID get to have a public reading of 'The Hungry Goat' as the President of the 'Free' World did absolutely nothing - so it wasn't a total bust.
Even if you don't want to read a conspiracy into this it still remains as a glorious case of ineptitude. So, do we fix the system? No. Just cover it up, maybe no-one will notice.
They could have done something rather than ignoring it is the point.
woiyo wrote:
1. You do not need to get to the pilot to hi-jack a plane.
2. No cockpit door will prevent one from blowing the thing up.
3. Bomb sniffing dogs would not prevent box cutters.
4. Nothing gets done quietly when racial profiling is the solution.
Most reasonable people will understand this.
What I do not understand is why this information was withheld. It is not as damaging as the media and the liberals make it out to be.
1. How does one hijack a plane without being able to control its destination? Of course you have to have access to the cockpit. What kinda stupid thing was that to say?
2. I'm pretty sure I said that if their intention was to blow it up, that could be prevented by sniffing out explosives before they/ or their luggage get on board.
3. No ****, Sherlock!
4. Racial profiling is NOT the answer. Who says only middle easterners are guilty of terrorism? Timothy McVei (sp?) was homegrown. So was the Unibomber. Evidently it isn't that difficult to check every passenger, not just those profiled, since that is what is happening now.
You are right about one thing. It isn't as damaging as liberals make it out to be. Not because it isn't damning evidence, but because the "damage" that needs to happen to those that ignored the threat, won't. Nothing will be done about it. There will be no justice for the people who were allowed by this administration to be killed by terrorist on 9/11.
"One of the problems was there was really nothing that look like was going to happen inside the United States
Almost all of the reports focused on al-Qaida activities outside the United States." [Condoleezza Rice, Senate Testimony, 4/8/04]
"I don't think anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center, take another one and slam it into the Pentagon. [No one predicted] that they would try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile." [Condoleezza Rice, 5/16/02]
"We received no intelligence that terrorists were preparing to attack the homeland using airplanes as missiles." [Condoleezza Rice, 3/22/04]
FACT: In the months before Sept. 11, the Federal Aviation Administration told some of the nation's largest airports that if a terrorist wanted to hijack a plane to commit suicide in a "spectacular explosion," it would probably be a hijacking on U.S. soil rather than overseas. [Newsday, 2/11/05]
FACT: Eight months before 9/11, "Clarke urged then national security adviser Condoleezza Rice to hold a high-level meeting on the al-Qa'ida network
a memo has revealed. "We urgently need such a principals-level review on the al-Qa'ida network," Clarke wrote on January 25, 2001. [AFP, 2/12/05]
FACT: The report by the 9/11 commission detailed 52 warnings given to Federal Aviation Administration leaders from April to September 10, 2001, about al Qaeda and its desire to attack airlines, according to a previously undisclosed report by the commission that investigated the terror attacks. [CNN, 2/11/05]
Yeah, nothing to look at here, folks. Move along!
How many reports did the FAA receive in total in that time frame? That would be interesting to know. I would also like to know how many they have received in the same time frame for the years since 9/11.
Ah, looks like Baldimo is now in the "Blame the FAA" frame of mind. It wasn't enough to blame the CIA, FBI, gays, jews, liberals, etc., just as long as the blame never fell on the Bush administration.
What's REALLY interesting to know is why the Bush administration continues to block, redact, and keep from the American public the full truth regarding 9/11? Perhaps Bush's "little mind" cannot comprehend the depth in which he's gotten himself into.
My guess is because Bush and his cronies did NOTHING before 9/11, even though they were repeatedly warned. Let's not allow the neoconservaties to forget that 9/11 happened on Bush's watch.
They could have told the truth. Simple as that. They could have shown every memo they were given and let people judge them on their merits.
Isn't that what you would expect your employees to do in such a situation? You do realize that they are public servants, don't you, and have a responsibility and duty to be honest?
How many straight-up lies has Condi been caught in lately? This is just another one.
The head of the 9/11 committee said he didn't think there was anything redacted that had anything to do with nat'l security.... so what did they black out?
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