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Bush explains his SS plan in his own words

 
 
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2005 03:46 pm
Dookiestix wrote:
C. You don't have the balls to answer my question.

Fair enough. I thought as much.

Fine, now that that is settled, it remains true that the ability to find isolated dumb quotes from someone proves exactly zero, and is a classic tool of character assasination.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2005 03:47 pm
Unfortunately, Brandon doesn't understand that.

As there aren't many web sites on John Kerry "misquotes" or Howard Dean "misquotes," we can always turn to George W. Bush for the best stupidity a pResident can offer:

www.dubyaspeak.com
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2005 03:51 pm
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DUBYA: Andrew Biggs is with us. He is the Associate Commissioner for Retirement Policy of the Social Security Administration, Washington, D.C. In other words, he is an expert on the subject. Andrew, step forth. Let the people of Arkansas -- no, sit forth -- let the people of Arkansas --
DR. BIGGS: Thanks very much.
DUBYA: Tell them whether or not we got a problem or not, from your perspective.
DR. BIGGS: Put simply, we do, in fact, have a problem.
DUBYA: By the way, this guy -- PhD. See, I was a C student. He's a PhD, so he's probably got a little more credibility. I do think it's interesting and should be heartening for all C students out there, notice who's the President and who's the advisor. All right, Andrew, get going. Andrew's got a good sense of humor.
-- Yeah, the more important guy is a C student, and the less important guy is a PhD. It's hilarious! Little Rock, Arkansas, Feb. 4, 2005


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And it's not only having no retirement system. It is how are we going to pay for people like George W. when he gets ready to retire? That's as big a burden as having no system at all, see? And that's the dilemma we're faced with.
-- Actually, I think quite a few people see George W's impending retirement as a cause for celebration rather than a dilemma, Little Rock, Arkansas, Feb. 4, 2005


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WOMAN IN AUDIENCE: I don't really understand. How is it the new [Social Security] plan is going to fix that problem?
DUBYA: Because the -- all which is on the table begins to address the big cost drivers. For example, how benefits are calculated, for example, is on the table. Whether or not benefits rise based upon wage increases or price increases. There's a series of parts of the formula that are being considered. And when you couple that, those different cost drivers, affecting those -- changing those with personal accounts, the idea is to get what has been promised more likely to be -- or closer delivered to what has been promised. Does that make any sense to you? It's kind of muddled. Look, there's a series of things that cause the -- like, for example, benefits are calculated based upon the increase of wages, as opposed to the increase of prices. Some have suggested that we calculate -- the benefits will rise based upon inflation, as opposed to wage increases. There is a reform that would help solve the red if that were put into effect. In other words, how fast benefits grow, how fast the promised benefits grow, if those -- if that growth is affected, it will help on the red.
-- Dubya explains the virtues of his Social Security plan, Tampa, Florida, Feb. 4, 2005


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To give you an example, in 2027, the system will be $200 billion short. In other words, they collect X amount of payroll taxes, but because baby boomers like me are living longer and have been promised greater benefits, we're $200 billion short that year -- that year. And the next year is bigger than $200 billion. In 3037, it's like $300 billion. And finally in 2037, it's $300 billion.
-- Dubya goes long range, extending Social Security projections over 1000 years, Tampa, Florida, Feb. 4, 2005


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Younger folks are going to be coming up in a world where either you got to raise taxes dramatically, borrow significant amounts of money, slash government programs, slash benefits in order to make that red in that chart go away.
-- In case you were hoping for an "or" to go with Dubya's "either", don't hold your breath, Tampa, Florida, Feb. 4, 2005


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Now, there's some rules, and it's important for you to know the rules. One, you can't take your money that you set aside in the personal account and go to the race track. ...Secondly, you can't pull it all out when it comes time to your -- you can't take it all and then go to the track.
-- Is it just me, or do the first and second rules sound rather similar? Tampa, Florida, Feb. 4, 2005



Face it, Brandon, the guy's an idiot.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2005 03:51 pm
Dookiestix wrote:
Unfortunately, Brandon doesn't understand that.

As there aren't many web sites on John Kerry "misquotes" or Howard Dean "misquotes," we can always turn to George W. Bush for the best stupidity a pResident can offer:

www.dubyaspeak.com

Bush has successfully been elected governor of Texas once, and president of the US twice. If you were able to convince people to elect you dog catcher, your opinion might carry a little more weight. Oh, that's right, he's a dirty, rotten cheater.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2005 03:55 pm
And you're convinced he did it totally on his own?

Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2005 03:56 pm
Yawn.....

Peter Jennings: If you believe that life begins at conception, is even a first-trimester abortion not murder?

John Kerry: No, because it's not the form of life that takes personhood in the terms that we have judged it to be in the past. It's the beginning of life. Does life begin? Yes, it begins.

--Interview with ABC News anchor Peter Jennings in Detroit on 7/22/04
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2005 03:57 pm
Maybe you should start a website.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2005 03:59 pm
Dookiestix wrote:
And you're convinced he did it totally on his own?

Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

No, darn it. I know that John Kerry occupied all positions on his election committee personally. Bush never achieved that one-man-band sort of status.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2005 04:04 pm
Brandon:

Try coffee.

Very sad indeed. Obviously, when it comes to quotes from people who actually THINK, you assume they're as convaludid as every idiot remark from Dumbya's mouth.

Honestly, do you rightwingers have something against intellectual thought? It would seem so...
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2005 04:08 pm
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Bush never achieved that one-man-band sort of status.


Probably because neocons cannot think past a black and white world.

Makes perfect sense.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2005 04:25 pm
Dookiestix wrote:
Brandon:

Try coffee.

Very sad indeed. Obviously, when it comes to quotes from people who actually THINK, you assume they're as convaludid as every idiot remark from Dumbya's mouth.

Honestly, do you rightwingers have something against intellectual thought? It would seem so...

Well, I will try to be more intellectual in the future, and shall certainly use you as be my model. BTW, that word you are searching for is "convoluted."
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2005 04:27 pm
"use you as be my model?"

Keep trying...
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squinney
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2005 04:42 pm
Dookiestix wrote:
Brandon:...Honestly, do you rightwingers have something against intellectual thought? It would seem so...


11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts. Intellectuals and the inherent freedom of ideas and expression associated with them were anathema to these (Fascist) regimes. Intellectual and academic freedom were considered subversive to national security and the patriotic ideal. Universities were tightly controlled; politically unreliable faculty harassed or eliminated. Unorthodox ideas or expressions of dissent were strongly attacked, silenced, or crushed. To these regimes, art and literature should serve the national interest or they had no right to exist.

From: Fascism Anyone?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2005 05:42 pm
Maybe we need a bit more of this one...

5. Rampant sexism. Beyond the simple fact that the political elite and the national culture were male-dominated, these regimes inevitably viewed women as second-class citizens...
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squinney
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2005 06:25 pm
McG's having a wet dream.

Be careful what you wish for there, McG. Fascism also tends to be extremely homophobic.

Signed

Your Friend,

Bi-squinney-Bear
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2005 06:39 pm
I don't know, this isn't the only thread you are trying to push your "America is fascist" theory. Perhaps you should be careful of what you wish for.
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squinney
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2005 06:44 pm
I don't happen to be "pushing" anything. I opened the other thread as a discussion. Perhaps you'd like to go over there and discuss it?
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squinney
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2005 06:50 pm
I like this one, too.

(From the same speech quoted in the original post)

"We're headed toward peace, and that's important. (Applause.) We're still at war."
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BiPolarWolf
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2005 07:20 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Maybe we need a bit more of this one...

5. Rampant sexism. Beyond the simple fact that the political elite and the national culture were male-dominated, these regimes inevitably viewed women as second-class citizens...



Am I taking this out of context , or do you BELIEVE and support this statement????
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2005 07:25 pm
BiPolarWolf wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
Maybe we need a bit more of this one...

5. Rampant sexism. Beyond the simple fact that the political elite and the national culture were male-dominated, these regimes inevitably viewed women as second-class citizens...



Am I taking this out of context , or do you BELIEVE and support this statement????


I was using it to point out the idiocy of the "15 points". If we are to believe that the US is becoming a fascist state, which has been brought forth on A2K enough times that some must actually believe it is, then we must examine all 15 points, right?

Point 5 is so outrageous I used it to counter squinney's use of point 11 as though it had any bearing on reality.
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