Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

Cycloptichorn wrote:

The 'laws of supply and demand' have no place in them for pollution, Okie. Someone has to care about that, as it's obvious that the problem will not be solved by the companies who profit greatly off of the oil; and who have shown that they will rarely willingly self-limit their emissions and waste products.

Cycloptichorn

I think you are wrong. People have been demanding something be done about pollution, and there has been, in contrast to totalitarian communist countries or closed societies which have been alot more polluted. Fact is, businesses have devised much of the technology to clean things up, and they deserve credit, not blame.

I will agree that the environmental movement has raised awareness, however it is not uncommon for extremes to cause more harm than good. We need sensible controls, which we could have without all the extremes. The tree huggers shut down nuclear 30 years ago, and that turned out to be negative, just one example.

I believe oil companies are ready and willing for reasonable regulation, and always have been, but it needs to be reasonable in an atmosphere of cooperation instead of adversarial.

There are many people in the environmental movements that are simply opposed to free markets and capitalism, period, and therein lies a large problem.

The 'laws of supply and demand' have no place in them for pollution, Okie. Someone has to care about that, as it's obvious that the problem will not be solved by the companies who profit greatly off of the oil; and who have shown that they will rarely willingly self-limit their emissions and waste products.

Cycloptichorn

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.SenateReport#report

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Climate scientist Luc Debontridder of the Belgium Weather Institute's Royal Meteorological Institute (RMI) co-authored a study in August 2007 which dismissed a decisive role of CO2 in global warming. The press release about the study read, "CO2 is not the big bogeyman of climate change and global warming. This is the conclusion of a comprehensive scientific study done by the Royal Meteorological Institute, which will be published this summer. The study does not state that CO2 plays no role in warming the earth." "But it can never play the decisive role that is currently attributed to it," Luc Debontridder said according to the August 2007 release. "Not CO2, but water vapor is the most important greenhouse gas. It is responsible for at least 75 % of the greenhouse effect. This is a simple scientific fact, but Al Gore's movie has hyped CO2 so much that nobody seems to take note of it," Debontridder explained. "Every change in weather conditions is blamed on CO2. But the warm winters of the last few years (in Belgium) are simply due to the 'North-Atlantic Oscillation'. And this has absolutely nothing to do with CO2," he added.

Currently, the biggest threat to the health of Americans according to the media is over eating and lack of exercise. It is not what is in their food and water, or what is in the air they are breathing.

ican711nm wrote:

Currently, the biggest threat to the health of Americans according to the media is over eating and lack of exercise. It is not what is in their food and water, or what is in the air they are breathing.

Amen, ican, you got that right.

Just go anywhere nowadays and watch all the flabby people. I have done my own informal poll while watching people now and again, and the distinctly overweight or obese is 25 to 30%. And that does not even include the very slightly overweight.

Okie - thanks for the explanation on oil leases. I've another question, on glaciers: didn't the so-called "land bridge" over the Bering Strait consist of ice, not land? We know people crossed it long ago, and we also know it melted away long before our mapmakers went into business, let alone any SUV rolled down the assembly line.

okie wrote:

ican711nm wrote:

Currently, the biggest threat to the health of Americans according to the media is over eating and lack of exercise. It is not what is in their food and water, or what is in the air they are breathing.

Amen, ican, you got that right.

Just go anywhere nowadays and watch all the flabby people. I have done my own informal poll while watching people now and again, and the distinctly overweight or obese is 25 to 30%. And that does not even include the very slightly overweight.

I'm glad you both agree that it's not terrorism....

old europe wrote:

okie wrote:

ican711nm wrote:

Currently, the biggest threat to the health of Americans according to the media is over eating and lack of exercise. It is not what is in their food and water, or what is in the air they are breathing.

Amen, ican, you got that right.

Just go anywhere nowadays and watch all the flabby people. I have done my own informal poll while watching people now and again, and the distinctly overweight or obese is 25 to 30%. And that does not even include the very slightly overweight.

I'm glad you both agree that it's not terrorism....

Not any more!

ican711nm wrote:

old europe wrote:

okie wrote:

ican711nm wrote:

Currently, the biggest threat to the health of Americans according to the media is over eating and lack of exercise. It is not what is in their food and water, or what is in the air they are breathing.

Amen, ican, you got that right.

Just go anywhere nowadays and watch all the flabby people. I have done my own informal poll while watching people now and again, and the distinctly overweight or obese is 25 to 30%. And that does not even include the very slightly overweight.

I'm glad you both agree that it's not terrorism....

Not any more!

Thanks to Bush.

Do you have a sense of humor, oe?

You will have to admit there have been no serious terrorist acts here in the U.S. lately.

And just a small point, obesity can be controlled by the individual, but it takes a government to control terrorists, so there is a difference in terms of how each are approached. Its a free country, people can be fat if they choose to, but if so, they should pay for it themselves.

okie wrote:

ican711nm wrote:

old europe wrote:

okie wrote:

ican711nm wrote:

Currently, the biggest threat to the health of Americans according to the media is over eating and lack of exercise. It is not what is in their food and water, or what is in the air they are breathing.

Amen, ican, you got that right.

Just go anywhere nowadays and watch all the flabby people. I have done my own informal poll while watching people now and again, and the distinctly overweight or obese is 25 to 30%. And that does not even include the very slightly overweight.

I'm glad you both agree that it's not terrorism....

Not any more!

Thanks to Bush.

You guys mean there has been a time when terrorism killed more Americans than over eating and lack of exercise?

Ausra, a developer of utility-scale solar thermal power, has opened the first US solar thermal power factory, and the highest capacity plant in the world, in brightly lit Sin City. As if you needed another great reason to visit, right? The factory will produce reflectors, absorber tubes and other components of the company's solar thermal power plants, and will produce upwards of 700 MW of solar electricity generation equipment each year.

Of course! That time extended roughly 8 am to 10 am EDT, Tuesday, September 11, 2001.

ican711nm wrote:

Of course! That time extended roughly 8 am to 10 am EDT, Tuesday, September 11, 2001.

And Bush stopped that from happening?

:wink:

The land bridge was land. The Bering Straits are comparatively shallow, around 50 meters deep, and sea level was on the order of 130 meters lower during the last ice age, so Siberia and Alaska were one. ............