Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

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Open a can of soda, does it stay carbonated?

Diest TKO wrote:

T
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Open a can of soda, does it stay carbonated?

The CO2 content in ocean is very, very, very, very far from saturation. Do a minimum homework and don't make false claims with ridiculous comparisons TK !

The Southern Ocean is an important avenue of carbon invasion into the ocean, because the deep ocean outcrops here. Le Quere et al. [2007] diagnosed the uptake of CO2 into the Southern Ocean using atmospheric CO2 concentration data from a dozen or so sites in the Southern hemisphere. They find that the Southern Ocean has begun to release carbon since about 1990, in contrast to the model predictions that Southern Ocean carbon uptake should be increasing because of the Henry's Law thing. [...]

A decrease in ocean uptake is more clearly documented in the North Atlantic by Schuster and Watson [2007]. They show surface ocean CO2 measurements from ships of opportunity from the period 1994-1995, and from 2002-2005. Their surface ocean chemistry data is expressed in terms of partial pressure of CO2 that would be in equilibrium with the water. If the pCO2 of the air is higher than the calculated pCO2 of the water for example, then CO2 will be dissolving into the water.

Hmm.

Just one single response as if nothing had been and happened during more then half a year's time ...

Hmm.

Hmm, I thought I detected an overall drop in the IQ of the site this morning...

Cycloptichorn

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Hmm.

Just one single response as if nothing had been and happened during more then half a year's time ...

Hmm.

Sorry to intrude. I thought over time it might be different with you and others who post via ad hominem rather than enter into reasonable discussion. But oh well. Have a great day anyway.

Diest TKO wrote:

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Open a can of soda, does it stay carbonated?

The CO2 content in ocean is very, very, very, very far from saturation. ...
TK !

Not only that but doesn't a can of soda remains carbonated indefinitely? Without artificial compression and/or as it warms, however, it releases sufficient carbonation so that it is no longer super carbonated which produces the fizz we want in our beer. soda and seltzer water. It has been a long time since chemistry class, but I seem to remember something called "Henry's Law" describing the levels of CO2 (and other gasses) based on the temperature of the liquid in which it was dissolved plus other factors.

One of those other factors is the pressure on the soda. In a sealed bottle, almost all of that pressure can last for a very long time until enough of the soda's molecules leak out through the bottle and/or bottle cap, to cause a measureable reduction in the pressure inside the bottle -- a century or two?

So it seems reasonable to me that the scientists who say generally higher levels of CO2 follow warming rather than cause it do have a leg to stand on. Of course that doesn't explain the periods identified when the CO2 levels were quite high when the planet was overall much cooler, but perhaps that was an anomaly during a rapid climate shift.

miniTAX wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:

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Open a can of soda, does it stay carbonated?

The CO2 content in ocean is very, very, very, very far from saturation. ...
TK !

Yes, but that is irrelevant. You obviously did not understand the excerpts I posted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry%27s_law
Formula and Henry constant

You require an elementary course in physics and chemistry. No shame there unless you now refuse to recognize your limitations.

Henry's law states that given time a gas will reach an equilibrium based on a constant in its concentration both in the atmosphere and water.

Based on the time the atmosphere and the ocean have existed there is no reason to think the oceans are very very very very far from their maximum CO2 content when using Henry's law.

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ican711nm wrote:

miniTAX wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:

T
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Open a can of soda, does it stay carbonated?

The CO2 content in ocean is very, very, very, very far from saturation. ...
TK !

Yes, but that is irrelevant. You obviously did not understand the excerpts I posted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry%27s_law
Formula and Henry constant

You require an elementary course in physics and chemistry. No shame there unless you now refuse to recognize your limitations.

Did you mean to direct this to Diest TKO instead of Minitax, Ican? I think Minitax probably has it right.

The intentions behind Saturday's "lights out" action in Germany, Switzerland and Austria may be good, but utility companies are warning that the pro-climate protection demonstration could cause a mass power outage across Europe.

Saturday night's "lights out" action in German-speaking countries -- meant to draw attention to the world climate change conference in Bali -- is intended to send a signal that more needs to be done to stop global warming. But European utility providers are warning that green thinking could lead to a brownout on Europe's power grid.

Energy companies are cautioning that if, as planned, millions of homes turn off their lights for five minutes at 8 p.m. on Saturday, and then turn them back on at the same time that the sudden surge could overload the power grid.