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What is Evangelism?

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jan, 2022 08:24 am
@bulmabriefs144,
bulmabriefs144 wrote:

And what I'm saying is okay is that the real God, not the one you make a prop to hound you, is not some dictatorial lawgiver.

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The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.


You have allowed someone else to tell you what God is. Here, an old man who is angry with your sins and likely to throw a thunder bolt at you. Right?
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/54/d9/0c/54d90c03fd6f7761a15c452675bb82fa--greek-god-tattoo-zeus-mythology.jpg
Seems convincing, right?


Too bad that's not God. I deliberately pulled a picture of Zeus to show you that your concept of a deity is wrong. There's no angry old man here. That is the truth. This is what God looks like to the best of my knowledge.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/cd/5f/94/cd5f94dd0181a24e4baa0a9c8ec58d37.jpg
http://avante.biz/wp-content/uploads/Sweet-Girls-Pics-Wallpapers/Sweet-Girls-Pics-Wallpapers-008.jpg
https://irp-cdn.multiscreensite.com/md/unsplash/dms3rep/multi/photo-1549318558-02fe75fc51d2.jpg
https://static.scientificamerican.com/sciam/cache/file/DB105495-2F55-4BBF-8FC179C7FB070852.jpg
https://currentaffairs.adda247.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/1436522997441.jpg

God is a spirit over nature and the universe. Yet God chooses to be a part of humanity. God chooses himself to suffer to give us an opportunity to help. Not to judge humans but to get them to stop ruining their lives and looking on the mess proudly. God does not dole out punishments as you imagine. That's Zeus. So if you feel like you're being punished, it's time to look at another source.



That Bible you keep raving about, Bulma...tells you everything you need to know about the god Jesus worshiped.

And that god is a monster.

But continue in your delusions. You need them.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jan, 2022 08:27 am
@bulmabriefs144,
bulmabriefs144 wrote:

Abuzz you say. No such forum exists, so how can I know you are not lying?


I do not give a **** about whether you think I am lying or not.

ALL of the originals here came over from Abuzz, with Robert Genteel, the owner of the site...who at that time was known as Craven De Kere. (sp?)

Quote:
After all, if I treat all of your statements with disbelief and say that you need mental help (as you have done to me), then obviously here is where I'd say you imagined the whole thing.


You are sick, Bulma. Get help.

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Now, I could with effort look up your assertion, but since you've never given me any trust, the most I'll offer is a five minute search, which gives a dictionary definition of abuzz and an Abuzz Insurance.

You obviously dreamed it, a telltale sign of a delusional mind. Even Wikipedia doesn't have any sign of Abuzz, and they have City-Data, the forum I used to belong in.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/City-Data




You are sick. Get help.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jan, 2022 08:29 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
So you say that because your god loves the children of people who "do right by it"...it is okay for your god to curse the children of people who do not do right by it. And to curse their children's children and their children's children's children and their children's children's children's children.

I know what Frank means, I thought that scripture was the most batshit crazy thing ever written.

But then Science came along and discovered epigenetics with its Lamarckian-like Results. It turns out that an unhealthy lifestyle actually does affect the children to the third generation. I would guess that includes mental health as well although the studies were limited to physical health.

Maybe Frank should blame 'science'. Can’t blame the Bible for just telling the facts.
bulmabriefs144
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jan, 2022 10:12 am
@Leadfoot,
Well, and I gave a history example above.

Bad choices (like to continue a senseless war) have trickle-down bad effects for as many generations as possible.

But so do good choices. The Vikings decided to stop raiding and pillaging, converted to Christianity, and unlike the rest of Europe that only accepted Christianity as a state religion (we see how this turned out, with many royals running wars), they had close to 1000 years of peace.
https://norse-mythology.org/the-vikings-conversion-to-christianity/
The Vikings thought purely in terms of "what can this god do for me?" And for awhile, the Norse gods with their command over the elements seemed to be more powerful. But they gradually moved into accepting Jesus on a basis of developing good relationship with other countries. As such, it was a top-down process. The kings wanted to be Christian because it afforded them political alliances, the nobles wanted to convert because they would be thought well of by kings, and finally the commoners converted. Because their Christianity was not based on political power (see Catholicism and the Protestant reforms), and because there wasn't a real sense of revolt, the Norse countries tended to convert and that was that.

Now, the peace is largely over. Leftist open-borders are making Muslim rapes of Swedish women a thing. Nice work. Bad choices will haunt Sweden and such, as long as they make them.

So he should also blame history as well as science.
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jan, 2022 02:08 pm
@bulmabriefs144,
bulmabriefs144 wrote:
Bad choices have trickle-down bad effects for as many generations as possible.


You are one to talk about "bad choices", you are a walking encyclopedia of them...

Posted today.

A friend of mine on Facebook is not currently riding a motorcycle...

Do you ever stop to think about how truly wrong you are on almost everything?

Her post:
Covid day 5
Good morning. Still not really feeling much different from when I came in. My nurse had Covid (didn't need to be hospitalized) and is still dealing with symptoms 6 months later. She was explaining the different covid meds and exactly what they do and how they work. She went over my blood work with me too.
I'm still not able to get much of a breath and my anxiety makes my chest lock down and then I really can't breathe. I'm on the oxygen and have to take it off to use the restroom, after about 2 steps I'm panting trying to breathe almost hyperventilating. Just doing that exhausts me and makes everything hurt a bit worse. Running a moderate fever again today. Yesterday was pretty much fever free. I have worse than normal brain fog, but I'm trying really hard to keep my head in in "neutral" or kind of zoning out. If I let my mind think about all of this and the "what if's" and "maybies" I will really freak out. I just try to keep my emotions flat.
I try to talk on the phone with people, because I am involved and distracted and end up taking deeper breaths because I'm more relaxed. I just don't have many people to talk with.
I want to thank everyone for all of the good wishes and prayers.
TheCobbler
 
  2  
Reply Fri 14 Jan, 2022 03:27 pm
@Leadfoot,
The Bible was not talking about epigenetics [And Noah was a space alien] more craziness... it was talking about the common practice at the time of shaming families and their kids for generations for something a distant relative did.

And the Bible God was okay with this and never seems to have spoken ill of the practice.

Like standing by while someone is being murdered by a mob and not doing anything to help.

This God of yours might explain a lot about why you are so uncompassionate.

You should be more concerned about what YOU are doing in YOUR lifetime by sticking to YOUR book of lies.

Frank is right and you are wrong, again...

I will tell you something.

I am ordained clergy from a fundamentalist Christian "cult". ...and when I met Frank almost 20 years ago I was like you are. Frank and I dualed and rattled sabers for years almost every day on a site called, ABuzz, before this one.

I explained to Frank how every scripture was written by God and blah blah blah. Every day I presented the same old arguments that you are trying to pass off as truth. This is why you can't fool a fool. I was exceedingly better at it than both of you are.

Almost 20 years later I am so VERY thankful to Frank and others for saving me from this religious maze.

Now, I am free and happy, thanks to Frank and others who dared to speak out against my "certainty" and I no longer have to try and defend horse **** every day like you are trying to do. I no longer have to kowtow to an impossible, hateful and moronic idea of a God.

Your answers become more and more ridiculous over time and you become less and less human and more deceitful and self-deluded with each word. All based upon silliness.

Eventually you will have to look into the mirror and see the hateful person this book has turned you into. A jigsaw puzzle of a person, a fake paper thin vista and a fractured heart.

It will be a shame if you never reconcile yourself to your own spirit of love and grace. That love IS part of yourself instead of merely a duty to your slave master that you can rationalize away with just another scripture.

I know the Bible better than both you and bulmabriefs144 put together.

I thank people like Frank every day for rescuing me from the death cult that you are currently still awash in their blood. Each day they become more insidious and murderous. You have normalized treachery in their name.

That, is the REAL sin...

Kudos to you Frank, I will always throw shade at you buddy! And the others who helped me see the error of my religious ways.

Today, I am a much better person because my spirit is no longer bound by the sin of zealous religion.

If you ever wonder why you are a miserable piece of ****, well, that is it.

The first step to getting help is to stop believing in the majority of that crap and then all religion, including the REAL truth becomes possible.

Sure, the Bible has some truth, but "definitely" not to the extent that you have been led to believe. If it did not have any truth then no one would believe any of it (maybe).

But it is full of half truths and subtle but erroneous paths to self destruction. A surrender to self will, barring autonomous conscience.

These paths have turned you both into lie mongers and fake news junkies. All to appease your monster of an abomination of a creature you call God.

Listen to Frank and others like him, you will learn something worth believing in.

They have no agenda, they are free from a tyrannical God. I see that they in general only have honesty and independent objectivity.

Now you will twist this all around to wrangle it back to fit into your warped religious worldview.

Rather than throw off your religious worldview and embrace the freedom of being what you really are. It is possible to change and life flows outside of this religious slavery...

You have been lied to and you have been damaged by these lies and you may never find out the truth if you do not take this warning to heart and change back into what you really are.

Somewhere inside is the child of the Earth that was robbed of its birthright by religious fanatics. Find this child and reclaim your place in the natural order of things before that person is lost forever. Robbed at the cradle by a ridiculous and melicious fable.

There is freedom in the reality of what you truly are and with the eyes of this child you will look back and know the simple and honest truth that you have been blinded from seeing.

And the truth SHALL make you free.

It is just not the truth you have been enticed to accept.

There may very well be a God, I don't know. I am convinced that the Bible is not some perfect road map to this God.

Clear sightedness and independent thinking have shown me a more perfect way to holiness.

Take from it what is good... charity, goodness, kindness, hope, love, grace, and ditch the rest. Suddenly you will find a world of others who are like-minded whom before you did not even notice.

They are your real family. They will welcome you back into the reality of what you were before this damage was done.

You will be free to think, see and criticize truth without having to swallow things without reasonable consideration. You will become self actualized and that is the person you really are.

My words will stand as a testament and your actions will decide if you remain enslaved or reach out for emancipation.

You are the one holding the key to your own prison...
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jan, 2022 04:31 pm
Early reports say Florida Republican shot and killed during road rage incident
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/1/13/2074414/-Florida-Republican-is-shot-dead-after-allegedly-ramming-car-and-shooting-at-driver

Republican problem solved... (cynical)

Turn the other cheek. (cynical)

Michigan woman arrested with a truck full of guns outside of U.S. Capitol Police Building
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/1/13/2074449/-Michigan-woman-arrested-near-Capitol-with-loaded-shotgun-says-she-just-wanted-to-talk
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jan, 2022 04:49 pm
Anti-vaxxer Glenn Beck ‘disturbed’ after getting Covid again and the internet just can’t with him
https://www.queerty.com/anti-vaxxer-glenn-beck-disturbed-getting-covid-internet-just-cant-20220113

Glenn has also bought a motorcycle.
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BillW
 
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Reply Sat 15 Jan, 2022 03:05 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

bulmabriefs144 wrote:

Abuzz you say. No such forum exists, so how can I know you are not lying?


I do not give a **** about whether you think I am lying or not.

ALL of the originals here came over from Abuzz, with Robert Genteel, the owner of the site...who at that time was known as Craven De Kere. (sp?)

I was an Abuzzard!
Frank Apisa
 
  3  
Reply Sat 15 Jan, 2022 07:17 am
@TheCobbler,
TheCobbler wrote:


The Bible was not talking about epigenetics [And Noah was a space alien] more craziness... it was talking about the common practice at the time of shaming families and their kids for generations for something a distant relative did.

And the Bible God was okay with this and never seems to have spoken ill of the practice.

Like standing by while someone is being murdered by a mob and not doing anything to help.

This God of yours might explain a lot about why you are so uncompassionate.

You should be more concerned about what YOU are doing in YOUR lifetime by sticking to YOUR book of lies.

Frank is right and you are wrong, again...

I will tell you something.

I am ordained clergy from a fundamentalist Christian "cult". ...and when I met Frank almost 20 years ago I was like you are. Frank and I dualed and rattled sabers for years almost every day on a site called, ABuzz, before this one.

I explained to Frank how every scripture was written by God and blah blah blah. Every day I presented the same old arguments that you are trying to pass off as truth. This is why you can't fool a fool. I was exceedingly better at it than both of you are.

Almost 20 years later I am so VERY thankful to Frank and others for saving me from this religious maze.

Now, I am free and happy, thanks to Frank and others who dared to speak out against my "certainty" and I no longer have to try and defend horse **** every day like you are trying to do. I no longer have to kowtow to an impossible, hateful and moronic idea of a God.

Your answers become more and more ridiculous over time and you become less and less human and more deceitful and self-deluded with each word. All based upon silliness.

Eventually you will have to look into the mirror and see the hateful person this book has turned you into. A jigsaw puzzle of a person, a fake paper thin vista and a fractured heart.

It will be a shame if you never reconcile yourself to your own spirit of love and grace. That love IS part of yourself instead of merely a duty to your slave master that you can rationalize away with just another scripture.

I know the Bible better than both you and bulmabriefs144 put together.

I thank people like Frank every day for rescuing me from the death cult that you are currently still awash in their blood. Each day they become more insidious and murderous. You have normalized treachery in their name.

That, is the REAL sin...

Kudos to you Frank, I will always throw shade at you buddy! And the others who helped me see the error of my religious ways.

Today, I am a much better person because my spirit is no longer bound by the sin of zealous religion.

If you ever wonder why you are a miserable piece of ****, well, that is it.

The first step to getting help is to stop believing in the majority of that crap and then all religion, including the REAL truth becomes possible.

Sure, the Bible has some truth, but "definitely" not to the extent that you have been led to believe. If it did not have any truth then no one would believe any of it (maybe).

But it is full of half truths and subtle but erroneous paths to self destruction. A surrender to self will, barring autonomous conscience.

These paths have turned you both into lie mongers and fake news junkies. All to appease your monster of an abomination of a creature you call God.

Listen to Frank and others like him, you will learn something worth believing in.

They have no agenda, they are free from a tyrannical God. I see that they in general only have honesty and independent objectivity.

Now you will twist this all around to wrangle it back to fit into your warped religious worldview.

Rather than throw off your religious worldview and embrace the freedom of being what you really are. It is possible to change and life flows outside of this religious slavery...

You have been lied to and you have been damaged by these lies and you may never find out the truth if you do not take this warning to heart and change back into what you really are.

Somewhere inside is the child of the Earth that was robbed of its birthright by religious fanatics. Find this child and reclaim your place in the natural order of things before that person is lost forever. Robbed at the cradle by a ridiculous and melicious fable.

There is freedom in the reality of what you truly are and with the eyes of this child you will look back and know the simple and honest truth that you have been blinded from seeing.

And the truth SHALL make you free.

It is just not the truth you have been enticed to accept.

There may very well be a God, I don't know. I am convinced that the Bible is not some perfect road map to this God.

Clear sightedness and independent thinking have shown me a more perfect way to holiness.

Take from it what is good... charity, goodness, kindness, hope, love, grace, and ditch the rest. Suddenly you will find a world of others who are like-minded whom before you did not even notice.

They are your real family. They will welcome you back into the reality of what you were before this damage was done.

You will be free to think, see and criticize truth without having to swallow things without reasonable consideration. You will become self actualized and that is the person you really are.

My words will stand as a testament and your actions will decide if you remain enslaved or reach out for emancipation.

You are the one holding the key to your own prison...


Thank you, Cobbler.

Amd they are, indeed, holding the keys to their own prisons.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 15 Jan, 2022 07:19 am
@BillW,
BillW wrote:


Frank Apisa wrote:

bulmabriefs144 wrote:

Abuzz you say. No such forum exists, so how can I know you are not lying?


I do not give a **** about whether you think I am lying or not.

ALL of the originals here came over from Abuzz, with Robert Genteel, the owner of the site...who at that time was known as Craven De Kere. (sp?)



I was an Abuzzard!


Yep. Many of us were. Abuzz was a truly great forum, before a few people decided to make it gross. At that time, I thought forums were all polite places where people went for intelligent conversations. When the change to hatred and anger started, I was shocked.
Leadfoot
 
  0  
Reply Sat 15 Jan, 2022 07:37 am
@TheCobbler,
Quote:
Almost 20 years later I am so VERY thankful to Frank and others for saving me from this religious maze.

Glad you made it out of that cult, Noah being a space alien and stuff like that, I mean, that’s fucked up. Frank did you a real solid there. Unfortunately, Frank won’t talk to me.

I do occasionally complain about serving my time here in the prison cell of planet earth. But I am so thankful for the company of my friend and Father God while in solitary. He already set me free in every other way and my sentence is almost up. Sometimes it’s good to be old.

My sympathy to your friend with Covid, not able to ride her motorcycle. Maybe you could introduce us, she sounds cool; I’d love to go riding when she’s better.




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bulmabriefs144
 
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Reply Sat 15 Jan, 2022 08:08 am
@Frank Apisa,
Yeah yeah. Mass hallucination.

Like all 12 of those people who saw Jesus rising from the dead.

https://credohouse.org/blog/was-the-resurrection-a-result-of-mass-hallucinations-alternate-resurrection-theory-3

So you see, there couldn't have been a forum called Abuzz, and all of you there dreamed it up.

(Yeah I'm trolling you hard)
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 15 Jan, 2022 08:36 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Yep. Many of us were. Abuzz was a truly great forum, before a few people decided to make it gross. At that time, I thought forums were all polite places where people went for intelligent conversations. When the change to hatred and anger started, I was shocked.


It was crazy. Rogertc1 actually posted my address, gave the names of my children and wife, posted a picture of my front door and threatened to pop up one day, knock on my door and shoot me in the face.

The Austin PD had no idea on how to treat this.

Once NYT and the Boston Sun decided to quit supporting the site, it went to **** in what seemed like weeks. I spent time trying to see if I could "buy" Abuzz.
bulmabriefs144
 
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Reply Sat 15 Jan, 2022 08:37 am
@TheCobbler,
Your friend... is a chicken-wuss.

Refusing to get back on a bike, so that he can milk symptoms for all they are worth. He's probably taken off work too. Tell him for me that he should be ashamed. The symptoms are identical to an anxiety attack. And yes, in addition to tight breathing anxiety can cause a fever.

https://www.calmclinic.com/anxiety/symptoms/causing-fever

Meanwhile, we have been into supposedly unsafe areas with no ill effect. Texas? Florida? Yeah we've been to these places. Nobody living there even seemed sick. None of them wore a mask. We came home, and the sickest I get is when I sleep all day in a dusty house instead of going outside and being around people. I'm not getting sick from not wearing a mask. I'm not getting sick from being unvaccinated. I'm not getting sick from being within six feet of another person.

I'm getting sick from pneumonia. Which I'll wager he has way worse than I, as he probably goes around virtue signalling how he wears a mask. Pneumonia thrives in areas with dry and dusty air, particularly the inside of a mask.
https://www.aier.org/article/the-real-pandemic-mass-munchausens-syndrome-by-proxy/
Excusee me, but I don't hang around people who allow their hypochondriac tendencies to run their lives or the lives of others. Or who play the "poor me" victimhood card. I will bet that if whoever brought him food and water while he malingered refused to do so, he'd suddenly get better in a hurry.



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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 15 Jan, 2022 08:51 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Flipping heck.

They should have arrested the bastard for making death threats.

Actually, I think you'd enjoy Nasrudin, he is a lot of fun.
Frank Apisa
 
  2  
Reply Sat 15 Jan, 2022 09:13 am
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:


Quote:
Yep. Many of us were. Abuzz was a truly great forum, before a few people decided to make it gross. At that time, I thought forums were all polite places where people went for intelligent conversations. When the change to hatred and anger started, I was shocked.


It was crazy. Rogertc1 actually posted my address, gave the names of my children and wife, posted a picture of my front door and threatened to pop up one day, knock on my door and shoot me in the face.

The Austin PD had no idea on how to treat this.

Once NYT and the Boston Sun decided to quit supporting the site, it went to **** in what seemed like weeks. I spent time trying to see if I could "buy" Abuzz.


It got nuts during the last two months over there. The hatred and venom spewed was amazing...and at a site that earlier was reasonable and a delight to participate in.

When Craven started this site, I waited things out for a a short while before joining. Jespah and Region were the first over here, I think. I just did not want to abandon Abuzz. There was already an Abuzz New York contingent that met regularly for drinks and conversation...and there were meets up in Boston and in San Francisco. People from England, Germany, Australia came over and joined with us.

Sad, sad demise.

(It was the New York Times/Boston Globe sponsored site, not the Sun)
BillW
 
  2  
Reply Sat 15 Jan, 2022 09:21 am
@Frank Apisa,
I went over to Hey Martha after Abuzz, before I came here. It was sponsored by local newspapers throughout the country. It got nasty fast - newspapers didn't want to support nasty. I think a lot of Abuzzards had sifted to Hey Martha also. I left Abuzz before the final demise.
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TheCobbler
 
  2  
Reply Sat 15 Jan, 2022 02:57 pm
I downloaded and saved many of my Abuzz threads.

They are a time capsule of my pathetic religious sick state of mind at the time.

I am just glad I finally woke up from the religion fog, btw the same fog I see pervading in a few people here. Some have it pretty bad to the point where they are rotten, perhaps to the core. Denying science while believing fables, yup.

And they don't think of the earth as a life giver. And yea, I am pro-life and not fake about it.

I don't look a gift horse (Earth) in the mouth or think more highly of myself than I ought.

I am thankful to the Earth for the life it has given me. The earth has provided me with resources so I can live a happy and healthy life.

What has God provided me with? That is unknown because God is seemingly mute. And 12 people thousands of years ago heard God speak from a cloud and that is "PROOF"! (lol)

As for the books that are attributed to these Gods. Like the Egyptian book of the dead, Gilgamesh, The Odyssey and Iliad, the Edda, the Bhagavad Gita, the Koran oh, and the Bible...

Given that they all are so contradictory they disprove rather than prove anything.

But the earth, sun and moon are no doubt real and to blindly follow a God while hating these life givers is the height of arrogance and idiocy.

If you cannot love what is seen, claiming to love the unseen is nothing more than a lie. The truth is not in you.

So, we are dealing with liars here, they lie to themselves and lie to and about others. Are they aware of the lies? If they are, they are immoral servants of deceit and if they are not, they are, nonetheless, fools. Either way they are nearly dead to life, love, and the pursuit of the fruits of "LIFE'... They manifest fear and their life force is in line with the code of the death cults of the world.

They are not a reason to be overcome with despair but a reason to pity and find compassion and a reason to find thankfulness that we are not tempted by the same fake facts which have led them to their own religious prisons. Prisons that have blinded them from the simple and joyous celebrations of life. Like a thief this religion has stolen peace and tranquility. They reject what they have, seeking more... for greed and selfish sake alone. This is a prison fashioned indeed by their own hands.

Luke 24:5b
“Why seek ye the living among the dead?

Comment: Seek the living among the living...
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sat 15 Jan, 2022 03:25 pm
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