@TheCobbler,
Finally he gets off his ass and starts talking.
Quote:The problem with your assumption is that the evolutionary mechanism is already in place, where God is not needed at all. Evolution does accomplish its processes and progress regardless of whether if you believe in God.
Bullshit. "The evolutionary mechanism" you speak of known as Darwinian Natural Selection is complete nonsense. First of all, can you know for a fact that it wasn't intended for you to look exactly as you do? The problem with so called natural selection is that it's not a selection, according to Darwin and you. I pull out the 1d100 and start rolling. This is by definition not a selection. It's explaining away everything as a fluke.
Second, there is a clear and rather sinister reason why to believe your existence is a fluke. These "people" are the same group that likes government control and population reduction. They think of humans as a plague. In other words, you're supposed to regard your existence as one big accident so that you don't question what comes next. What comes next? Well, since Darwin, we've seen a number of 20th and 21st century control schemes. The Nazis took over, the communists, the Catholic pope became a political figure. So did the Dalai Lama. All of our leaders have feet of clay. Ironically, these so-called fittest are fit for nothing, because natural is conflated with random or self-caused.
Third, you're pulling the Stephen Hawking "it is not necessary" trick to leave God out of the equation. Supposing I had some standard model of the cosmos
(an online excerpt). Okay? Some big formula for for things are according to scientific principles? Alright now, (everything in that formula) x 0. Oh look, the equation fails. Nothing at all exists! What did I just do? I removed the cause from the equation. Even if God does nothing but support the universe, and all decisions are left to us (deism), the base number must be x 1. This is because, like a computer generally not turning on by itself (in order for it to do otherwise, it must be configured to wake itself up by a series of settings), existential processes are not self-starting. No fully-built watch has ever appeared in a forest. No egg has ever been been laid without parents, nor hatched without a mom at least. Likewise, the rules of creation are consistent. If nothing I build can exist without me at least living and dying, if nothing can be born without parents, if no machine turns on without a cause either programmed in or external to itself (e.g. I push the power button), then why do we think we can suddenly make exceptions to suit our philosophy. Scientific laws are consistent. And that consistency leads to a conclusion.
Someone or something intentionally created the universe Now, we can debate the presence of such a being nowadays, what sorta thing it was, even whether this is a good being/force/whatever. But even if you decide the universe is totally random, if dice are rolled somebody had to pick them up! Even creation by formula MUST be set into motion.
Now if we're done with Darwin and his having to answer for despotism in all forms of government, and we're done with Hawking and his idea of a universe where "it is not necessary" we have a God that is in the picture, like or not, worship or not. God may be very chill, and content for you to do your own thing most days. But after Darwinian evolution which was a bust because it undermined the basic principles of how humans work together to survive in this world. Any society based on the "dog eat dog" mentality caves in, because most dogs want to feed themselves, and thus set aside their ambitions to make ends meet. The masses survive precisely because we don't try to kill our wounded or compete for food. We work together to build community.
Never you worry, there are about ten or twenty different evolutionary theories. It is not necessary for us to have Darwin.
