What is Evangelism?

Nice try. But you again forget how easy it is to impersonate a Christian, especially when they don't cross-examine (wow, that was a pun) you.

"These people honor me with their lips but their hearts are far from me," quoth Jesus.

While Hitler said a few things about Christianity, he in fact pushed a Christian crowd into thinking he was Christian. Then told them to do ghoulish experiments on Jewish and toss them into a furnace.

1. Hitler talks about Christianity only in context of Germanic state.
2. Saying you are a Catholic doesn't make you so. I'm my own religion, and while I follow Christianity and Christ, the fact that I also believe in much of Taoism and Buddhism means I can't honestly call myself Methodist or Episcopalian
3. Again, being interested in church festivals doesn't make you a Christian.
4. He seems to be talking about religion, but he's really telling both Catholics and Protestants to submit to a German State.
5. Again, seems to be talking about religion, actually talking about how religion created a side effect of culture, art, etc. What Hitler is really enamoured with is the state which proceeds behind religion. He is a utopian first, not a Christian.
6. This is not a good quote. It shows the true face of his "religion", that of demonizing the Jew.
7. When you understand that Hitler is an opportunist not a Christian, this sounds like just so much scam artistry. Telling about how Jesus was killed by Jews, so every good Christian should put them down. Except... Jesus himself was a Jew. He followed Jewish festivals (see #3 above), he was circumcised, etc, etc, etc. Either (1) Jesus was a Jew, in which case everything Hitler says is a lie, because this is an internal conflict, and the Jews are not to be held responsible for how they deal with their own prophets, or (2) Being circumcised, following festivals, and even admiring the priests isn't enough to be a Jew. In which case, Hitler is condemned by his own speech. He is no Christian. This is a Morton's Fork btw. In either case, Hitler has no case against the Jews when claiming to be Christian.
8. This one has him claiming Jesus is his Lord and Savior. Should we claim then that this proves he is Christian and that Christ forgives him? Most people are unwilling to accept forgiveness for Hitler. So, you tell me. Should a man who pushes for genocide be forgiven? We can either regard him as a false Christian who used Christianity to do evil. Or we can declare that the most evil man in existence was forgiven. If so, why then are you accusing Christianity?
9. The title tells it all. Hitler is making a series of false choices, and really talking about state control. Fascism, liberalism, and Marxism are all the same creature. Tyranny. But Jesus promises us perfect freedom. He doesn't advocate for state anything. "My kingdom is not of this world."
10. He may be talking about atheism vs Christianity , but his focus, once again is really on the state. Btw, the closest to Jesus's thinking? Not conservatism, liberalism, fascism, or Marxism. Simply stsying away from politics, and worshiping God. This is sleight of hand.
11. Hitler knew his crowd. He understood just as Donald Trump does that the crowd wants one thing, and Hitler played to the crowd. Either you accept Donald Trump was actually doing as he said (most liberals cannot accept Donald Trump as worthy of anything), or you decide that Donal Trump was a false man in which case we extend this back to Hitler, not a true Christian. Leaders are simply leaders. They talk all they want about cleansing moral impurities. But Jesus said nothing of the sort. When asked why he was eating with unclean hands, he spoke of people following human laws, not God's law.

I am a former Trump voter. Now I understand that we cannot trust our state leaders to really exemplify Christianity. Better not to vote. Especially when someone can toss around rhetoric, and people excuse them as Catholic or blame Christianity for their crimes. Biden and many other liberals hide behind the flag of Catholic or Jewish or Methodist. But they toss aside most values as politicians. None of these leaders are pro-life, in blatant contradiction to Catholic teachings.

So then you admit that Hitler wasn't really a Christian?

As explained above in #11, it's one or the other.

he isnt the point, its what he sold to his base, understand? WE KNOW, HE WAS EVIL, he used christianity as his basic belief and created enemies of romani and jews amd homosexuals and other worldviews .

I can see how its an embarrassment to you folks but its merely historical fact, wheher Leadfoot and you try to deny it.
Youve already lost that argument in history.

hmmm, I wonr. Since Bul brought it up and Pbfoot called me a liar (nd i guess he wrong based on Hitlrs own words) ARE ALL CHRISTIANS MERELY LIARS??

I don’t think farmer is capable of seeing the implications of his own evidence. If he understood those very quotes of Hitler, he’d know that he negated his own argument that 'Nazism is based on Christianity'.

I thank him for posting them, it saved me the trouble. Trouble is, very few people actually analyze posts like his deeply enough to see for themselves.

You are correct, Hitler did have an understanding that there is a basic human 'sense' that wants to understand its own existence and he was good at exploiting it for his own purposes.

Although the more I think about it, Farmer is not stupid, maybe he does understand the implications and is using Hitler's methodology for his own purposes.
I really did not want to think that badly of him.

you are the obtuse one. I think I clearly said that it didnt matter what he sid, he ws basically "fishin fo followers " and,like anyone else leading the flock, he knew what phrases to use. You just argue your point out of ignorance when you first posted (or did you have an "Al's" moment?

I smell gaslighting. This place could explode at any moment : )
'You know that's what I’ve said all along honey'.

Can you still say that kind of thing in what the US has become?

@NSA: Please note old school emoji ! Most of you guys are too young to remember those.

Why does it matter to you how many "likes" and "dislikes" you get? If anything there is a negative correlation between TRUTH and "likes".

Check the date stamp, do you remember how you felt when you wrote something over thirty months ago?

OK. Perhaps he has grown up some in 30 months

I believe that both the Bible and the Holy Spirit are essential for a person to learn spiritual truth. If we rely only on "the spirit" we can easily be deceived.
One of the strangest false impression is that the NT lowers the status of women. Starting with Jesus women were treated much better by the early Church than before Jesus began His ministry.

If Germany was not in such a terrible economic state (partly, as Bulma said, because of the harsh treatment of Germany after WW1 by the Allies) do you think that Hitler would have had such power?
"Desperate times lead to desperate measures".
It is humankind that is evil, not God.

Well, humankind isn't truly evil. Not most days anyway, but they tend to misunderstand and take things to extremes. If I told you that God loves obedience, some of you would start a religion which had a bunch of laws based on things you think God would want. Look at the laws of the Jews. Some of them make no sense, leading me to be skeptical that God really said that. Or they decide that God is loving and merciful... and let's take that to the absolute extreme that God is so loving and merciful that he'd forgive even wanton murder and rape. These rationalizations are what much of the problem is.

It's more that we are extremely wayward, rather than evil. We want to say "No thanks God, I'll do it on my own" in the atheist extreme. The other extreme is the "This is what you want, right, God? For me to punish all the unbelievers?" Typically less people are in this camp, because it requires a certain type of moral sureness.

And God doesn't give us easy answers. No voice from the sky says, "Frank Apisa, you must start a rock band." That would be awesome, but you'd be so sure of yourself that the rock band would become a sort of idol.

Lastly, Satan doesn't tempt people, and he isn't a devil. He's an angel of God. His mission is to accuse us. Some Christians believe he has fallen, but I'm not sure. This mission means that we as humans feel guilt for our actions because we are accused. But there are some less desirable outcomes that sometimes happen. Denial. Trying to cover up a sin. Becoming so fixated in avoiding sin that we separate ourselves from other people. Perfectionism. Even cynicism, which often leads people to the corrupt useof power in this world. The worst sin, honestly is believing that our sins are too great. This leads us into wicked behavior because it's a state where we feel we are so far gone that it doesn't matter what we do. This isn't "the devil" tempting us, this is Satan accusing us. But Jesus is our advocate. There is a fair trial for us.

Jesus warned them of the dangers of socialism. He said, "I am letting you starve to death because I love you..." (cynical)

Since we're doing Jesus memes, it's more like this.





"You take care of them." Not big business, not the government, you. Jesus wasn't conservative and he wasn't liberal. He was big into helping people. But he also "went away to rest" several times. We have this myth of the unselfish Jesus. Nah, Jesus did self-care. It's unrealistic to paint him as some type that was wholly about other people.

Those people aren't saviors. They can't even help themselves, because they've allowed themselves to be depleted. That's what love others as yourself means. You have to love yourself enough not to let certain energies run your life. "We should all have Jesus as our king!" Jesus shakes his head. "Jesus, make your ministry entirely about the poor and social justice." He says, " The poor are always with us, but you will not always have me. " Jesus said no.
http://blog.adw.org/2010/04/when-jesus-said-no/

"Pray like this: Our Father Who is in heaven; hollowed be your Name; Your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven; Give us this day our daily bread.....

I would say that Jesus believed in Theocracy.

Jesus said, "love others as you love yourself".

That is an eye for and eye.

But, he also said, "love others as I have love you"... His love for us is apparently greater than our love for ourselves.

That is socialism. Jesus gave unconditionally.

He did not expect any "work" in return...

Eph.2:
7] That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
[8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[9] Not of works, lest any man should boast.
[10] For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Comment:
Greedy republican policy denying poor school children free lunches is fake Christianity.

They cut corners to protect their greedy hateful policies and expect others to pay instead when we all should collectively bear the brunt of the poor and disabled.

Republican greed is antichrist.

And you expect us to take you seriously when your logic is so broken and your sense of duty to society so fractured?

The question is, why did Jesus have two standards?

Perhaps he knew some could not yet love with his level of love so he came down to their level. If we can't yet love others as he loved us, at least we should love others as we love ourselves...

Most (republican) people can't even love with basic fairness and rudimentary compassion.

Trump and the greedy leaders of your party have made you all anti-Christian, racist, sociopaths looking to overthrow the government so you don't have to follow Jesus' example.

Jesus said to pay taxes to Rome and he also said to help and love your neighbor.

Helping/loving your neighbor is in addition to paying your taxes...

It is not one or the other, it is both...

Actually, I'm skeptical about that.

A theocracy is a kingdom of this world, based around God (or more usually, priests declaring they speak for God). The Jews of his area already had a theocracy. Jesus explains that his kingdom is not of this world.

He was closer to an anarchist, though he didn't want his followers staging revolts.

An eye for an eye makes the world blind.

This is what Gandhi quoted from Leviticus.

"An eye for an eye" was a Babylonian concept. It was never applied positively, only punitively. It was part of the code of Hammurabi.

The Jews early on knew better, and Jesus was teaching the exact opposite.

As for socialism. Maybe you ought to read more carefully.

https://fee.org/articles/no-jesus-wasnt-a-socialist/

Socialism advocates a big state which is involved in enforcing economic equality (except for the leaders, who are immune to these taxes, and the oligarchs who elected them). Jesus taught that we should help the poor. This is called charity. Charity is perfectly capable of happening even in a capitalist government. We help with a food bank, because Food Lion (a big company) gets good press from donating their cast-offs.

A socialist government forces people to give up their goods for some nebulous ideal. Jesus didn't demand anyone must give to his brother. In fact, some man tried to have him tell his brother to share his inheritance, and he was like "No, you are the one being greedy here. Also, it's not my job to impose charity." Jesus tells of a man who pays everyone who works the same, regardless of when they came in. Socialism, right? Ǹot so fast. This is not only showing us how heaven is a single reward, but that the employer has a right to pay their employees however they want. Socialism has systems of rules, and tells their employers exactly how to divide wealth, it opposes the idea that an employer is sovereign over their own affairs.

@Cobbler, you are insisting people share their hard-earned money. You are the one who is being greedy. If I worked for eight weeks to buy my own computer, and some asshole told me that I owed a 12% taxes, and also wanted me to hand over my computer for a library or something, where people who never worked for anything get their grimy paws on my computer, I'd declare that I was being robbed by bureaucrats. It would be a different thing entirely if I was about to buy a new computer, and decided to donate the first one to computer recycling. It would be different still if I just decided to be generous one day. This is entirely different from being nagged or forced at gunpoint, or told I am being greedy and it is my duty to give up what I love.