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What is Evangelism?

 
 
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Thu 18 Feb, 2021 10:07 am
@Leadfoot,


Which Jesus are you referring to? The historians Jesus or the person Jesus?
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Thu 18 Feb, 2021 10:35 am
Ravi Zacharias, Influential Evangelist, Is Accused of Sexual Abuse in Scathing Report
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/11/us/ravi-zacharias-sexual-abuse.html
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Thu 18 Feb, 2021 11:36 am
@TheCobbler,
By the three and a half minute point there were so many factual errors that I got nauseous. If you don’t, it means you are either ignorant of reality or you hate it for one reason or another.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Thu 18 Feb, 2021 11:43 am
@TheCobbler,
Re:
Quote:
Ravi Zacharias, Influential Evangenlist.

As foretold in old and new book, there will be a lot of phonies who come in his name.
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Fri 19 Feb, 2021 07:49 pm
@Leadfoot,
Please name one factual error.

Just one...
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Sun 21 Feb, 2021 07:40 am
@TheCobbler,
The 'fact' that he asserts - that the Romans invented Jesus in order to defeat the Jews is so nonsensical as to be a joke. There are more copies of both old an New Testaments than any other document of those eras.

The only true fact in the first three and a half minutes was that the Jews were looking for an earthly King who would save them. The rest is a just-so story of how the Romans plotted to eliminate the Jews, as if the Jews were in any position to overthrow them (also a laughable idea at that time).

The fact is that the Romans had a cozy relationship with the Jewish leaders which was working just fine for both. The LAST thing that either wanted was to shake things up.

You’d have to have some pretty deep discomfort with 'religion' to buy that preposterous story.
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2021 03:26 pm
@Leadfoot,
The Romans invented many "gods", the fact that you find this unbelievable simply shows your bias...

Cozy relations, one prime example was Josephus.

Whether if it was cozy or a relationship or one of need, is disputable but a relationship none the less. To assume this was the only one is rather naive.

I am sure there were many liberal Jews who were sick of the orthodox hypocrites and sought to "Romanize" the religion.

There are also many copies of the Lord Of The Rings and Mad Magazine... Your logic is a joke.

Hmm, even Jesus would fit into this category of radical.

Jesus was born in a Romanized Jewish world, His hometown had a very large Roman amphitheater.

Rabbinic Judaism itself was Romanized...

All of Jerusalem at the time of Jesus was simply a Roman outpost with Jewish/Roman legions and a Roman ruler.

Just because they had war does not mean they were both still not Romans.

Rome went to war against Athens and Rome was also Hellenized....

You have to have lived under a rock to not see the influences of multiculturalism, at the time of the supposed Jesus.

I will also say that the story Josephus used to describe Titus was ripped off from much older myths of conquerors.

Titus got the standard conqueror cookie-cutter myth applied to him too.

Romans 8:37
37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us.

Ephesians 4:8
Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

Comment:
That last verse is the cookie cutter outline applied to all "conquerors".

There were many Jews who had a vested interest in seeing the draconian ruling elites and their zealousness for the law in Jerusalem at the time bowled over by Roman liberty.

There were many sects like the Essenes who simply loathed the ruling elites of Jerusalem.

Rome did not need to create the Jesus story it was already there. The liberal scribes simply wrote down the obvious and made it seem legitimate.

Were these scribes Romans? They were probably a mix of Romans, Greeks, Persians and Jews (and many others)...

Nobody liked the Old Testament laws... Not even the rabbinate. The rabbis by their own existence were against the law. Isn't this what Jesus said to them?

Matthew 15:3
But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

Comment:
Jesus said the Pharisees followed tradition rather than the law. (The rabbis "traditions" came from Rome also...)


Leadfoot
 
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Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2021 06:18 pm
@TheCobbler,
Yep, uncomfortable and desperate.
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