The New Liberalism

panzade wrote:

Nice post graffiti...sort of gave me a warm tingly feeling like his brother used to do.

Thanks...I'm hoping you're referring to Bobby. Are you?

I'll leave you guessing

I was referring more to general philosphy than individuals. For instance, we all want excellent education for our children. Liberals would prefer more tax money to schools, higher teacher salaries across the board, more programs in schools, tax-funded preschool. Conservatives would like to see more competition, programs like vouchers, more parental involvement and control. We all want to be comfortable in our retirement and to have our elderly well-cared for. Liberals would like to see more social programs to pay for it, more assistance. Conservatives would like to see more personal choices and personal responsibility for retirement planning. We all want to end hunger and poverty. Liberals would like to see more assistance programs, school lunch programs, shelters, subsidized housing. Conservatives would like to see more economic growth to provide jobs and to let private charities take care of people, rather than government.

It's a difference of opinion about how to achieve what are, for the most part, the same common goals.

Now that's interesting. Either you're projecting on me...or Bobby was the one that made you all tingly..

I've heard the schpiel. We could argue it all day long, but there's no way to get out of paying taxes. And conservative politics usually comes down to people not wanting to pay taxes.

I've heard the schpiel. We could argue it all day long, but there's no way to get out of paying taxes. And conservative politics usually comes down to people not wanting to pay taxes.

To be more precise, conservative politics usually comes down to rich people wanting the rest of us to pay taxes.

Now that's interesting. Either you're projecting on me...or Bobby was the one that made you all tingly..

Panzade...where did you get that avatar? (and don't say you captured yourself doing your morning pilates with a webcam... :wink: )

I was referring more to general philosphy than individuals. For instance, we all want excellent education for our children. Liberals would prefer more tax money to schools, higher teacher salaries across the board, more programs in schools, tax-funded preschool. Conservatives would like to see more competition, programs like vouchers, more parental involvement and control. We all want to be comfortable in our retirement and to have our elderly well-cared for. Liberals would like to see more social programs to pay for it, more assistance. Conservatives would like to see more personal choices and personal responsibility for retirement planning. We all want to end hunger and poverty. Liberals would like to see more assistance programs, school lunch programs, shelters, subsidized housing. Conservatives would like to see more economic growth to provide jobs and to let private charities take care of people, rather than government.

It's a difference of opinion about how to achieve what are, for the most part, the same common goals.

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Thank you. That's exactly what I mean. The conservative philosophy, in practice, seems to me to be one of judgment and blame whereas the liberal philosophy seems to be one of research and fix. Just my opinion and I realize that over the years the two have probably taken turns playing the each other's roles. I grew up hearing, however, that the liberal philosophy was tax and spend, big government, socialism and immorality, etc... That's just not true.

FreeDuck wrote:

Thank you. That's exactly what I mean. The conservative philosophy, in practice, seems to me to be one of judgment and blame whereas the liberal philosophy seems to be one of research and fix. Just my opinion and I realize that over the years the two have probably taken turns playing the each other's roles. I grew up hearing, however, that the liberal philosophy was tax and spend, big government, socialism and immorality, etc... That's just not true.

Are you being serious?

Unless liberalism can refurbish itself, it will continue to be a drag on Democratic opportunities.

graffiti wrote:

Unless liberalism can refurbish itself, it will continue to be a drag on Democratic opportunities.

The way I see it, the drag works the other way; liberalism, to the extent that there is still anythiing legitimate about it at all, is being suffocated by the drag of a rogue and outlaw political party i.e. the democrats.

The democrat party is primarily supported by trial lawyers and public sector unions mainly the NEA, the only connection of either of which to normal America being hatred and distrust; is led by a collection of rogues and gangsters, and has lost any claim of a vision it might ever have had in its incessant pandering to special interest groups in the vain hope of cobbling together a voting majority out of those interest groups, despite the interests of those groups usually being at loggerheads with one another.

In other words, the thing Jesus said about a man not being able to serve two (or more) masters is a particular problem for democrats.

liberalism is being suffocated by the democrats