He's a smart one, that one.
Joe ( if I had a son, I think,.... oh wait, I have a son.) Nation
And - this does not look good in terms of the fight against global terrorism:
Iraq New Terror Breeding Ground
War Created Haven, CIA Advisers Report
By Dana Priest
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, January 14, 2005; Page A01
Iraq has replaced Afghanistan as the training ground for the next generation of "professionalized" terrorists, according to a report released yesterday by the National Intelligence Council, the CIA director's think tank.
Iraq provides terrorists with "a training ground, a recruitment ground, the opportunity for enhancing technical skills," said David B. Low, the national intelligence officer for transnational threats. "There is even, under the best scenario, over time, the likelihood that some of the jihadists who are not killed there will, in a sense, go home, wherever home is, and will therefore disperse to various other countries."
Low's comments came during a rare briefing by the council on its new report on long-term global trends. It took a year to produce and includes the analysis of 1,000 U.S. and foreign experts. Within the 119-page report is an evaluation of Iraq's new role as a breeding ground for Islamic terrorists.
President Bush has frequently described the Iraq war as an integral part of U.S. efforts to combat terrorism. But the council's report suggests the conflict has also helped terrorists by creating a haven for them in the chaos of war.
"At the moment," NIC Chairman Robert L. Hutchings said, Iraq "is a magnet for international terrorist activity."
Before the U.S. invasion, the CIA said Saddam Hussein had only circumstantial ties with several al Qaeda members. Osama bin Laden rejected the idea of forming an alliance with Hussein and viewed him as an enemy of the jihadist movement because the Iraqi leader rejected radical Islamic ideals and ran a secular government.
Bush described the war in Iraq as a means to promote democracy in the Middle East. "A free Iraq can be a source of hope for all the Middle East," he said one month before the invasion. "Instead of threatening its neighbors and harboring terrorists, Iraq can be an example of progress and prosperity in a region that needs both."
But as instability in Iraq grew after the toppling of Hussein, and resentment toward the United States intensified in the Muslim world, hundreds of foreign terrorists flooded into Iraq across its unguarded borders. They found tons of unprotected weapons caches that, military officials say, they are now using against U.S. troops. Foreign terrorists are believed to make up a large portion of today's suicide bombers, and U.S. intelligence officials say these foreigners are forming tactical, ever-changing alliances with former Baathist fighters and other insurgents.
"The al-Qa'ida membership that was distinguished by having trained in Afghanistan will gradually dissipate, to be replaced in part by the dispersion of the experienced survivors of the conflict in Iraq," the report says.
According to the NIC report, Iraq has joined the list of conflicts -- including the Israeli-Palestinian stalemate, and independence movements in Chechnya, Kashmir, Mindanao in the Philippines, and southern Thailand -- that have deepened solidarity among Muslims and helped spread radical Islamic ideology.
At the same time, the report says that by 2020, al Qaeda "will be superseded" by other Islamic extremist groups that will merge with local separatist movements. Most terrorism experts say this is already well underway. The NIC says this kind of ever-morphing decentralized movement is much more difficult to uncover and defeat.
Terrorists are able to easily communicate, train and recruit through the Internet, and their threat will become "an eclectic array of groups, cells and individuals that do not need a stationary headquarters," the council's report says. "Training materials, targeting guidance, weapons know-how, and fund-raising will become virtual (i.e. online)."
The report, titled "Mapping the Global Future," highlights the effects of globalization and other economic and social trends. But NIC officials said their greatest concern remains the possibility that terrorists may acquire biological weapons and, although less likely, a nuclear device.
The council is tasked with midterm and strategic analysis, and advises the CIA director. "The NIC's goal," one NIC publication states, "is to provide policymakers with the best, unvarnished, and unbiased information -- regardless of whether analytic judgments conform to U.S. policy."
Other than reports and studies, the council produces classified National Intelligence Estimates, which represent the consensus among U.S. intelligence agencies on specific issues.
Yesterday, Hutchings, former assistant dean of the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs at Princeton University, said the NIC report tried to avoid analyzing the effect of U.S. policy on global trends to avoid being drawn into partisan politics.
Among the report's major findings is that the likelihood of "great power conflict escalating into total war . . . is lower than at any time in the past century." However, "at no time since the formation of the Western alliance system in 1949 have the shape and nature of international alignments been in such a state of flux as they have in the past decade."
The report also says the emergence of China and India as new global economic powerhouses "will be the most challenging of all" Washington's regional relationships. It also says that in the competition with Asia over technological advances, the United States "may lose its edge" in some sectors.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7460-2005Jan13.html?nav=rss_nation
An economist I heard on the radio yesterday said that the U.S. was spending itself into second world status. China and India - the countries to watch. Funny - that's what my grandparents used to warn about.
ehBeth wrote:An economist I heard on the radio yesterday said that the U.S. was spending itself into second world status. China and India - the countries to watch. Funny - that's what my grandparents used to warn about.
But on the bright side, there are a bunch of "have's" who will secure a "have more" position as a result of this administration.
That's what
really matters, isn't it?
Bushco and friends will not have to worry about the economic wasteland the other half (or 98%) of the population will be forced to reconcile after 2008.
Hell one needn't be an ecomomist to recognize that. Eventually the bill will come due. Talk about a banana republic.
Well, at least there are some people who know the truth . . . cold comfort tho' this be.
Hi Joe!!! Long time no come see!
McGentrix, you are perhaps as myopic as this administration. Yes, it is true that there is no superpower supplying the insurgents with weaponry. But, it would take a blind man not to recognize that Iraq is surrounded by countries that are not what we would call friendlies and these countries have more Kalishnikovs and C4 than they have population. How can you account for the amount of explosives that have suddenly appeared in a country that was ruled by a despot who controlled everything?
Furthermore, the safe zone you speak of in Vietnam is precisely what these insurgents have in any area in Iraq. They are the indigenous people and blend in with the terrified (by us) population with little or no fear of being outed.
If you are so convinced that we will win this war, why aren't you there to share in the glory along with the rest of the volunteers whose tours have been extended beyond contracted times. Why don't you join the National Guardsmen who have had their lives turned upside down and have been sent into harms way with little or no training and obsolete equipment.
Factually, the army that fought in Vietnam was an army that had thousands of young draftees. The Army that is in Iraq can be called an all volunteer army, but only to a point. is the one army better trained than the other? Truthfully, no! The draftee army of Vietnam was the army of regulars who spent 24/7 in training and on military facilities. The army of Iraq is that of some regulars and some National Guard and some reservists. Having spent time in the reserves (even you didn't know that Joe) I can attest to the lack of training and overall lack of readiness these troops possess. That in no way says that these are slackards, it just speaks to the fact that one weekend a month and two weeks in the summer is not adequate preparation.
Are you still so sure that we will win this thing, Mc Gentrix? Then I encourage you to take one step forward and add your name to the list of the walking targets. If you are strong in your beliefs, it is the only right thing to do.
JustWonders wrote:The phantom WMD were moved to Syria on the phantom trucks (remember the long column of those green ones?).
Do not ask me how I know this.
I could tell you, but then.....(well, you know the rest).
Wrong again:
Quote:never "a piece," said one
AP via Houston Chronicle
Anybody else have any wild-ass guesses?
And no-one in the Bush Administration or the Pentagon or the CIA is accountable, because the voting public re-elected the Pres!
Story over. All in the past. No further questions.
Mr Stillwater wrote:And no-one in the Bush Administration or the Pentagon or the CIA is accountable, because the voting public re-elected the Pres!
Story over. All in the past. No further questions.
Bush's inaugeral speech has the potential to be the shortest ever. He could simply stand up and say "I own this town." and sit back down again.
McGentrix wrote:Mr Stillwater wrote:And no-one in the Bush Administration or the Pentagon or the CIA is accountable, because the voting public re-elected the Pres!
Story over. All in the past. No further questions.
Bush's inaugeral speech has the potential to be the shortest ever. He could simply stand up and say "I own this town." and sit back down again.
sadly he would be speaking the truth for once.
Don't hurt your arm patting yourself on the back.
Bush is welcome to do so, of course, but he might just set off his cardio-vest.
Quote:Bush's inaugeral speech has the potential to be the shortest ever. He could simply stand up and say "I own this town." and sit back down again.
Why not Bush is convinced he was elected Dictator.
McGentrix wrote:Bush's inaugeral speech has the potential to be the shortest ever. He could simply stand up and say "I own this town." and sit back down again.
Or he could dress up as a mathematician and announce his formula for political success:
9/11 + x = STFU
(x = whatever I say)