1
   

IRAQ: no WMD's - nothing, zero, nada, zip, f#ck-all

 
 
McGentrix
 
  1  
Reply Thu 13 Jan, 2005 08:20 pm
Adrian wrote:
Better add that one too....

Oh, and this one.... Rolling Eyes


Done.
0 Replies
 
ehBeth
 
  1  
Reply Thu 13 Jan, 2005 08:34 pm
CdK said

Quote:
I predict that despite the administration's current posturing that war with Iraq is an inevitability.

I predict that the anti-war campaign will grow strong but not be enough to stop the war.

I predict that the war will last one month but that the casualties from occupation will be more (on the American side) than during the war.

I predict a very strong air campaign initially (no-brainer).

I predict female war heros.

I predict the history's greatest case of news management by the US military.

I predict that commercial satelight photography will be noticably absent or lessened.

I predict that Saddam will become an Osama. Hidden and wanted but as time drags on his relevance will be minimized. He will be found or killed before Osama and at that point he will be broadly touted as an important kill (yeah, might as well predict that too).

I predict that the weapons of mass destruction will not be found.

I predict that war weariness will be rearing to go but never have a real chance due to the short campaign.

I predict a post war drop in Bush's popularity.

I predict that after the war in Iraq the Mid-East will still not get the attention Bush has been implying.

I predict that the death toll won't start to solidify till after the war.

I predict that the mobilization of the troops will be complete around March/April.

I predict that the US will NOT get a UN resolution.

I predict that the occupation will be uneventful. By that I mean no huge catastrophe and no "ripples" of democracy for years.

I predict an occupation or at least a year.

I predict that Powel will resign from the administration.

I predict that despite everything Bush will win the re-election.

I predict that I will not be too happy about it. Crying or Very sad


http://able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=263#263

Thu Oct 03, 2002 6:29 pm
0 Replies
 
nimh
 
  1  
Reply Fri 14 Jan, 2005 05:53 am
Wow.
0 Replies
 
Einherjar
 
  1  
Reply Fri 14 Jan, 2005 06:07 am
Impressive.
0 Replies
 
Joe Nation
 
  1  
Reply Fri 14 Jan, 2005 06:38 am
He's a smart one, that one.

Joe ( if I had a son, I think,.... oh wait, I have a son.) Nation
0 Replies
 
dlowan
 
  1  
Reply Fri 14 Jan, 2005 08:20 am
And - this does not look good in terms of the fight against global terrorism:

Iraq New Terror Breeding Ground
War Created Haven, CIA Advisers Report

By Dana Priest
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, January 14, 2005; Page A01

Iraq has replaced Afghanistan as the training ground for the next generation of "professionalized" terrorists, according to a report released yesterday by the National Intelligence Council, the CIA director's think tank.

Iraq provides terrorists with "a training ground, a recruitment ground, the opportunity for enhancing technical skills," said David B. Low, the national intelligence officer for transnational threats. "There is even, under the best scenario, over time, the likelihood that some of the jihadists who are not killed there will, in a sense, go home, wherever home is, and will therefore disperse to various other countries."

Low's comments came during a rare briefing by the council on its new report on long-term global trends. It took a year to produce and includes the analysis of 1,000 U.S. and foreign experts. Within the 119-page report is an evaluation of Iraq's new role as a breeding ground for Islamic terrorists.

President Bush has frequently described the Iraq war as an integral part of U.S. efforts to combat terrorism. But the council's report suggests the conflict has also helped terrorists by creating a haven for them in the chaos of war.

"At the moment," NIC Chairman Robert L. Hutchings said, Iraq "is a magnet for international terrorist activity."

Before the U.S. invasion, the CIA said Saddam Hussein had only circumstantial ties with several al Qaeda members. Osama bin Laden rejected the idea of forming an alliance with Hussein and viewed him as an enemy of the jihadist movement because the Iraqi leader rejected radical Islamic ideals and ran a secular government.

Bush described the war in Iraq as a means to promote democracy in the Middle East. "A free Iraq can be a source of hope for all the Middle East," he said one month before the invasion. "Instead of threatening its neighbors and harboring terrorists, Iraq can be an example of progress and prosperity in a region that needs both."

But as instability in Iraq grew after the toppling of Hussein, and resentment toward the United States intensified in the Muslim world, hundreds of foreign terrorists flooded into Iraq across its unguarded borders. They found tons of unprotected weapons caches that, military officials say, they are now using against U.S. troops. Foreign terrorists are believed to make up a large portion of today's suicide bombers, and U.S. intelligence officials say these foreigners are forming tactical, ever-changing alliances with former Baathist fighters and other insurgents.

"The al-Qa'ida membership that was distinguished by having trained in Afghanistan will gradually dissipate, to be replaced in part by the dispersion of the experienced survivors of the conflict in Iraq," the report says.

According to the NIC report, Iraq has joined the list of conflicts -- including the Israeli-Palestinian stalemate, and independence movements in Chechnya, Kashmir, Mindanao in the Philippines, and southern Thailand -- that have deepened solidarity among Muslims and helped spread radical Islamic ideology.

At the same time, the report says that by 2020, al Qaeda "will be superseded" by other Islamic extremist groups that will merge with local separatist movements. Most terrorism experts say this is already well underway. The NIC says this kind of ever-morphing decentralized movement is much more difficult to uncover and defeat.

Terrorists are able to easily communicate, train and recruit through the Internet, and their threat will become "an eclectic array of groups, cells and individuals that do not need a stationary headquarters," the council's report says. "Training materials, targeting guidance, weapons know-how, and fund-raising will become virtual (i.e. online)."

The report, titled "Mapping the Global Future," highlights the effects of globalization and other economic and social trends. But NIC officials said their greatest concern remains the possibility that terrorists may acquire biological weapons and, although less likely, a nuclear device.

The council is tasked with midterm and strategic analysis, and advises the CIA director. "The NIC's goal," one NIC publication states, "is to provide policymakers with the best, unvarnished, and unbiased information -- regardless of whether analytic judgments conform to U.S. policy."

Other than reports and studies, the council produces classified National Intelligence Estimates, which represent the consensus among U.S. intelligence agencies on specific issues.

Yesterday, Hutchings, former assistant dean of the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs at Princeton University, said the NIC report tried to avoid analyzing the effect of U.S. policy on global trends to avoid being drawn into partisan politics.

Among the report's major findings is that the likelihood of "great power conflict escalating into total war . . . is lower than at any time in the past century." However, "at no time since the formation of the Western alliance system in 1949 have the shape and nature of international alignments been in such a state of flux as they have in the past decade."

The report also says the emergence of China and India as new global economic powerhouses "will be the most challenging of all" Washington's regional relationships. It also says that in the competition with Asia over technological advances, the United States "may lose its edge" in some sectors.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7460-2005Jan13.html?nav=rss_nation
0 Replies
 
ehBeth
 
  1  
Reply Fri 14 Jan, 2005 12:07 pm
An economist I heard on the radio yesterday said that the U.S. was spending itself into second world status. China and India - the countries to watch. Funny - that's what my grandparents used to warn about.
0 Replies
 
candidone1
 
  1  
Reply Fri 14 Jan, 2005 01:00 pm
ehBeth wrote:
An economist I heard on the radio yesterday said that the U.S. was spending itself into second world status. China and India - the countries to watch. Funny - that's what my grandparents used to warn about.


But on the bright side, there are a bunch of "have's" who will secure a "have more" position as a result of this administration.
That's what really matters, isn't it?

Bushco and friends will not have to worry about the economic wasteland the other half (or 98%) of the population will be forced to reconcile after 2008.
0 Replies
 
au1929
 
  1  
Reply Fri 14 Jan, 2005 01:06 pm
Hell one needn't be an ecomomist to recognize that. Eventually the bill will come due. Talk about a banana republic.
0 Replies
 
plainoldme
 
  1  
Reply Fri 14 Jan, 2005 01:21 pm
Well, at least there are some people who know the truth . . . cold comfort tho' this be. Rolling Eyes
0 Replies
 
cavolina
 
  1  
Reply Fri 14 Jan, 2005 01:34 pm
Hi Joe!!! Long time no come see!

McGentrix, you are perhaps as myopic as this administration. Yes, it is true that there is no superpower supplying the insurgents with weaponry. But, it would take a blind man not to recognize that Iraq is surrounded by countries that are not what we would call friendlies and these countries have more Kalishnikovs and C4 than they have population. How can you account for the amount of explosives that have suddenly appeared in a country that was ruled by a despot who controlled everything?

Furthermore, the safe zone you speak of in Vietnam is precisely what these insurgents have in any area in Iraq. They are the indigenous people and blend in with the terrified (by us) population with little or no fear of being outed.

If you are so convinced that we will win this war, why aren't you there to share in the glory along with the rest of the volunteers whose tours have been extended beyond contracted times. Why don't you join the National Guardsmen who have had their lives turned upside down and have been sent into harms way with little or no training and obsolete equipment.

Factually, the army that fought in Vietnam was an army that had thousands of young draftees. The Army that is in Iraq can be called an all volunteer army, but only to a point. is the one army better trained than the other? Truthfully, no! The draftee army of Vietnam was the army of regulars who spent 24/7 in training and on military facilities. The army of Iraq is that of some regulars and some National Guard and some reservists. Having spent time in the reserves (even you didn't know that Joe) I can attest to the lack of training and overall lack of readiness these troops possess. That in no way says that these are slackards, it just speaks to the fact that one weekend a month and two weeks in the summer is not adequate preparation.

Are you still so sure that we will win this thing, Mc Gentrix? Then I encourage you to take one step forward and add your name to the list of the walking targets. If you are strong in your beliefs, it is the only right thing to do.
0 Replies
 
PDiddie
 
  1  
Reply Mon 17 Jan, 2005 04:02 pm
JustWonders wrote:
The phantom WMD were moved to Syria on the phantom trucks (remember the long column of those green ones?).

Do not ask me how I know this.

I could tell you, but then.....(well, you know the rest). Smile


Wrong again:

Quote:
never "a piece," said one


AP via Houston Chronicle

Anybody else have any wild-ass guesses?
0 Replies
 
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Reply Mon 17 Jan, 2005 04:17 pm
The latest:

Quote:
Report Expected to Address WMD in Iraq

Monday January 17, 2005 9:46 PM


By KATHERINE PFLEGER SHRADER

Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - The final U.S. intelligence report on weapons of mass destruction in Iraq is expected to address whether the banned armaments may have been smuggled out of the country before the war started.

Top Bush administration officials have speculated publicly that chemical, biological or radiological weapons may have been smuggled out, and the question is one of the unresolved issues on WMD. The report is due next month.

Intelligence and congressional officials say they have not seen any information - never ``a piece,'' said one - indicating that WMD or significant amounts of components and equipment were transferred from Iraq to neighboring Syria, Jordan or elsewhere.

The administration acknowledged last week that the search for banned weapons is largely over. The Iraq Survey Group's chief, Charles Duelfer, is expected to submit the final installments of his report in February. A small number of the organization's experts will remain on the job in case new intelligence on Iraqi WMD is unearthed.

But the officials familiar with the search say U.S. authorities have found no evidence that former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein transferred WMD or related equipment out of Iraq.

A special adviser to the CIA director, Duelfer declined an interview request through an agency spokesman. In his last public statements, he told a Senate panel last October that it remained unclear whether banned weapons could have been moved from Iraq.

``What I can tell you is that I believe we know a lot of materials left Iraq and went to Syria. There was certainly a lot of traffic across the border points,'' he said. ``But whether in fact in any of these trucks there was WMD-related materials, I cannot say.''

Last week, a congressional official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said suggestions that weapons or components were sent from Iraq were based on speculation stemming from uncorroborated information.

President Bush and top-raking officials in his administration used the existence of WMD in Iraq as the main justification for the March 2003 invasion, and throughout much of last year the White House continued to raise the possibility the weapons were transferred to another country.

For instance:

-Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said in early October he believed Saddam had WMD before the war. ``He has either hidden them so well or moved them somewhere else, or decided to destroy them ... in event of a conflict but kept the capability of developing them rapidly,'' Rumsfeld said in a Fox News Channel interview.

Eight months earlier, he told senators ``it's possible that WMD did exist, but was transferred, in whole or in part, to one or more other countries. We see that theory put forward.''

-Secretary of State Colin Powell expressed concern the WMD would be found. However, when asked in September if the WMD could have been hidden or moved to a country like Syria, he said, ``I can't exclude any of those possibilities.''

-And, on MSNBC's ``Hardball'' in June, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz said: ``Everyone believed that his programs were more active than they appeared to be, but recognize, he had a lot of time to move stuff, a lot of time to hide stuff.''

Since the October report from Duelfer, which said Saddam intended to obtain WMD but had no banned weapons, senior administration leaders have largely stopped discussing whether the weapons were moved.

Last week, the intelligence and congressional officials said evidence indicating somewhat common equipment with dual military and civilian uses, such as fermenters, was salvaged during post-invasion looting and sold for scrap in other countries. Syria was mentioned as one location.

However, the U.S. intelligence community's 2002 estimate on Iraq indicated there were sizable weapons programs and stockpiles. The officials said weapons experts have not found a production capability in Iraq that would back up the size of the prewar estimates.

Among a series of key findings, that estimate said Iraq ``has largely rebuilt missile and biological weapons facilities damaged'' during a 1998 U.S.-British bombing campaign and ``has expanded its chemical and biological infrastructure under the cover of civilian production.''

Although the U.S. had little specific information, the estimate also said Saddam probably stockpiled at least 100 metric tons, possibly 500 metric tons, of chemical weapons agents - ``much of it added in the last year.''
Source
0 Replies
 
Mr Stillwater
 
  1  
Reply Mon 17 Jan, 2005 05:38 pm
And no-one in the Bush Administration or the Pentagon or the CIA is accountable, because the voting public re-elected the Pres!

Story over. All in the past. No further questions.
0 Replies
 
McGentrix
 
  1  
Reply Mon 17 Jan, 2005 09:35 pm
Mr Stillwater wrote:
And no-one in the Bush Administration or the Pentagon or the CIA is accountable, because the voting public re-elected the Pres!

Story over. All in the past. No further questions.


Bush's inaugeral speech has the potential to be the shortest ever. He could simply stand up and say "I own this town." and sit back down again.
0 Replies
 
JustWonders
 
  1  
Reply Mon 17 Jan, 2005 09:44 pm
Laughing
0 Replies
 
revel
 
  1  
Reply Mon 17 Jan, 2005 09:58 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Mr Stillwater wrote:
And no-one in the Bush Administration or the Pentagon or the CIA is accountable, because the voting public re-elected the Pres!

Story over. All in the past. No further questions.


Bush's inaugeral speech has the potential to be the shortest ever. He could simply stand up and say "I own this town." and sit back down again.


sadly he would be speaking the truth for once.
0 Replies
 
DrewDad
 
  1  
Reply Tue 18 Jan, 2005 08:17 am
Don't hurt your arm patting yourself on the back.

Bush is welcome to do so, of course, but he might just set off his cardio-vest.
0 Replies
 
au1929
 
  1  
Reply Tue 18 Jan, 2005 08:43 am
Quote:
Bush's inaugeral speech has the potential to be the shortest ever. He could simply stand up and say "I own this town." and sit back down again.


Why not Bush is convinced he was elected Dictator.
0 Replies
 
PDiddie
 
  1  
Reply Tue 18 Jan, 2005 08:44 am
McGentrix wrote:
Bush's inaugeral speech has the potential to be the shortest ever. He could simply stand up and say "I own this town." and sit back down again.


Or he could dress up as a mathematician and announce his formula for political success:

9/11 + x = STFU

(x = whatever I say)
0 Replies
 
 

Related Topics

Obama '08? - Discussion by sozobe
Let's get rid of the Electoral College - Discussion by Robert Gentel
McCain's VP: - Discussion by Cycloptichorn
Food Stamp Turkeys - Discussion by H2O MAN
The 2008 Democrat Convention - Discussion by Lash
McCain is blowing his election chances. - Discussion by McGentrix
Snowdon is a dummy - Discussion by cicerone imposter
TEA PARTY TO AMERICA: NOW WHAT?! - Discussion by farmerman
 
Copyright © 2024 MadLab, LLC :: Terms of Service :: Privacy Policy :: Page generated in 0.07 seconds on 12/22/2024 at 08:04:51