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Do you think enough is being done about AIDS awareness?

 
 
Reply Mon 10 Jan, 2005 05:20 am
I watched Dannii Minogue(sister of Kylie) on a midday chat show the other day.She is now an embassador for HIV/AIDS awareness.
She talked about what they are doing for HIV/AIDS sufferers which is great but at no point did she mention how to minimise the risks of catching/passing on the virus.I think if an interview is going on then surely the prevention method should DEFINATELY be talked about.
To me the ways to catch it are unprotected sex and reusing infected needles.

I also watched a documentary on Prince Harry on his journey to Africa where the infection rates are highest and he helps out with HIV/AIDS sufferers.
It explained that witch doctors(who are respected and listened to in the area) have spread the word that the only way to get rid of the virus is to have sex with young virgins, the younger the better and therefore spreading the disease(this advice fills me with horror).
Again they discussed how they are helping the sick but at no point did they say wether they are trying to squash the witch doctors advice and educate these people how it is prevented.

Im so angry at this!!!
Surely if HIV/AIDS is being discussed on a programme the prevention should be included.
Has anybody any information that shows people of Africa are being better educated?
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nutmegs
 
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Reply Tue 11 Jan, 2005 08:47 pm
I was in Africa this summer doing medical/HIV awareness work and I can tell you firsthand how incredibly difficult it is. The culture in the area where I was is VERY open sexually, infidelity and promiscuity are rampant and expected. People don't want to use condoms- they don't like the way they feel (just like here!) and are reluctant to buy them. IMO, one of the most frustrating parts was the amount of denial. Nearly everyone is having sex, and often at a VERY young age, but there is pressure from the community and the churches we would sometimes go to for education programs to teach abstinence. Fortunately, the kids would come up to us afterwards and ask specific questions that were excellent questions. The basic knowledge about HIV was there for the most part, it was just the means and expectations for implementation that were lagging.
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material girl
 
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Reply Wed 12 Jan, 2005 04:54 am
Did you go as part of your job or educational course?

Its good that at least some people arnt made to feel bad about having sex.
But, absolutely awful that they dont want to help themselves.
I hate that stupid thing of 'I dont like using condoms, I dont like the way they feel'.How lame is that.If they stop you from catching diseases they should bloomin well be used!!!!!

Im surprised condoms arnt free in such highly infected areas like Africa!

Very glad to hear the kids are asking questions.If abstinence is the only way then I hope it works.
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nutmegs
 
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Reply Wed 12 Jan, 2005 11:34 pm
I'm a medical student and went on a volunteer/educational trip. Despite the amount of sex (read it today as the "man's inalienable right to infidelity") there is an equal amount of denial. And it's not always as simple as not wanting to help themselves. There, I heard a story about a group of HIV educators who went into the slums of one city and talked to people there. The people said, "this is the only joy in life we have, and you want to take it away from us?" An interesting point when you consider many people are living in poverty and hunger, dying doesn't take on quite the future-ending proportion when you have lost hope in life. But I digress. As for the condoms thing, it's one thing to say and quite another to practice. I see this, work with it day in and day out, and counsel people about using them but am enough of a hypocrite that I don't always 100% of the time use them. I wish more things were cut & dried.
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material girl
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jan, 2005 03:15 am
Im given you a 'virtual' spanked botty for not using them.spank spank!!

When I look at footage it does look like sex is there only joy in life and it must be awful for them to think they have to 'cut down'.

I cant think how to change there outlook on condoms.

Is it true about what they have been told by witch doctors, written in my original post?
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nutmegs
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jan, 2005 02:44 pm
there's a lot of myths about HIV, and in some areas they do believe that having sex with a virgin will cure it, or that HIV is actually put inside condoms by westerners... where I was, people were pretty well educated, just not *doing* anything about it really.
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jan, 2005 03:47 pm
This is interesting to me, as I know that HIV/AIDS sufferers in Africa far outnumber the recent Tsunami victims. I have to wonder if even a concentrated effort on raising money, which has been relatively succesful for the Tsunami relief effort would have much effect for AIDS education in Africa, given their lifestyle, and odd beliefs. I'm raising questions to learn more about this, as mutmegs seems to have a lot of hands on experience here.
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fishin
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jan, 2005 05:40 pm
Re: Do you think enough is being done about AIDS awareness?
material girl wrote:
Im so angry at this!!!
Surely if HIV/AIDS is being discussed on a programme the prevention should be included.


Why should it be included? If the intention of the show is to discuss the politcal, social and/or financial programs in place or being created to deal with HIV/AIDs why should they delve into prevention techniques? Do you expect this of every other program? When you are watching a gardening show that is dicussing how to get your rose bushes to bloom do you get upset of they don't discuss how to get rid of crab grass?

When someone puts a program on the public airwaves they have an alloted amount of time to discuss things and they chose a topic for the day. Why would anyone get upset if they don't discuss every possible side issue of the main discussion? Just seems a bit unreasonable for an expectation.
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nutmegs
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jan, 2005 10:22 pm
cavfancier wrote:
This is interesting to me, as I know that HIV/AIDS sufferers in Africa far outnumber the recent Tsunami victims. I have to wonder if even a concentrated effort on raising money, which has been relatively succesful for the Tsunami relief effort would have much effect for AIDS education in Africa, given their lifestyle, and odd beliefs. I'm raising questions to learn more about this, as mutmegs seems to have a lot of hands on experience here.

the problems in africa are so deep. I came back really, really overwhelmed. there is a fantastic amount of corruption and that and the lack of infrastructure make it difficult to put anything together and sustain it. it's hard to explain the lack of accountability there, although you can certainly see why there is no real incentive for it to exist. the matter is NOT within the target population- they are open to education, and even lifestyle changes. but like I said, we'd go into these churches and couldn't talk about really honestly making lifestyle changes there, because that would involve really talking about sex, and practicing phrases about condoms, etc etc... it's complicated.
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husker
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jan, 2005 10:27 pm
I don't think there is enough awareness, funding, or compassion.
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husker
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jan, 2005 10:29 pm
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the problems in africa are so deep. I came back really, really overwhelmed. there is a fantastic amount of corruption and that and the lack of infrastructure make it difficult to put anything together and sustain it. it's hard to explain the lack of accountability there, although you can certainly see why there is no real incentive for it to exist. the matter is NOT within the target population- they are open to education, and even lifestyle changes. but like I said, we'd go into these churches and couldn't talk about really honestly making lifestyle changes there, because that would involve really talking about sex, and practicing phrases about condoms, etc etc... it's complicated.


I saw something on this on a special but for the life of me I cannot remember if it was one special or a combination.
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material girl
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jan, 2005 03:22 am
Fishin-
Im amazed you cant see that a killer virus is a tad more important than gardening.

There is no point in wasting money on aftercare and saying 'we are making sure that the millions of HIV/AIDS sufferers are being looked after so their death is less painful'.

Talk about locking the stable door after the horse has bolted!!!!

Maybe you should let any of your (future) children start smoking then when they are in hospital with a tube in their throat gasping for air you should say 'oh by the way, smoking can cause cancer'.

I admit it was a chat show and talking about how to put a condom on an erect penis would make people feel uncomfortable, but embarrassment needs to be abolished about this sort of thing.

I thought we were trying to educate the world as to how they can protect themselves,obviously you dont agree.
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fishin
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jan, 2005 03:45 pm
material girl wrote:
I thought we were trying to educate the world as to how they can protect themselves, obviously you dont agree.


On the contrary! Obviously, you totally missed what I wrote. Let me draw out this little explaination and we'll see if it makes more sense to you.

You watched a TV program that was discussing HIV/AIDS and they didn't provide details on how people could protect themselves from getting the disease. This, for some reason, upset you.

You then started this very thread to discuss that TV program about HIV/AIDs and yet you didn't post anything about what people could do to protect themselves - i.e. you did the exact same thing the TV program did but in another format.

Now.. Are you upset with yourself for this faux-paux on your part as well?

If not (and I would hope not!), why would you be upset with a TV program having a meta-discussion about HIV/AIDS and not mentioning protective measures?

Surely you can see that there is a distinction between discussing techniques for HIV/AIDs prevention and discussing what people are doing about HIV/AIDS prevention can't you?
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material girl
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jan, 2005 05:51 am
I believe I mentioned the ways to catch it are having unprotected sex and reusing infected needles.
Therefore if people are able to 'flip' the information,having PROTECTED sex and using CLEAN needles would be a good way to prevent the possibilities of catching it.

Also im not an HIV/AIDS embassador.I would have thought a good way to use their position was to explain how to prevent catching the disease.

Once again I dont see the point in saying how kids and adults are being taken care of AFTER contracting this fatal virus.

So if you have/had children would you not warn them of any dangers or would you let them do what they like and then say 'its ok, youll be taken care of afterwards so go ahead'?
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nutmegs
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jan, 2005 11:55 pm
material girl wrote:
I believe I mentioned the ways to catch it are having unprotected sex and reusing infected needles.
Therefore if people are able to 'flip' the information,having PROTECTED sex and using CLEAN needles would be a good way to prevent the possibilities of catching it.

Also im not an HIV/AIDS embassador.I would have thought a good way to use their position was to explain how to prevent catching the disease.

Once again I dont see the point in saying how kids and adults are being taken care of AFTER contracting this fatal virus.

So if you have/had children would you not warn them of any dangers or would you let them do what they like and then say 'its ok, youll be taken care of afterwards so go ahead'?


I'm willing to bet that most of it not all of the people watching that program know what HIV is and how it can be contracted and prevented. HIV is no longer being thought of as a "fatal virus" in the Ebola sense so much as a chronic illness in the diabetes sense. one of our infectious disease lecturers said that he hasn't attended a funeral for his AIDS patients since the 90s. none of them have died.

I think it's EXTREMELY important to educate people about how people with HIV are taken care of. showing that people are living healthy, fufilling lives helps to reduce the stigma and helps people be more willing to get tested (ie, they know something can be done, so there is incentive to find out).

educational efforts about prevention definitely have their place but they are targeted. again, behavior modification is the key and that isnt' easy to put on a TV show.
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material girl
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jan, 2005 02:53 am
I think tv is great and really the only way to get things through to people.Magazines get thrown away, I doubt anybody subscribes to a medical weekly mag,leaflets didnt work etc TV can be very effective.

Im not knocking the aftercare, I think its great that they are being looked after.
Im also glad to hear that your friend hasnt attended any AIDS related funerals but personnally Id prefer to know how NOT to contract it instead of living with it and having to take endless pills.

Im amazed the virus has been downgraded, this probably contributes to people thinking it has gone away and leads to not protecting themselves, therfore contracting it and passing it on.
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Jack Webbs
 
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Reply Sun 6 Nov, 2005 12:57 am
As long as you aren't gay and your are a decent person the odds of you getting AIDS are about the same as a sports parachute not opening after you have jumped out.

If you shoot dope, mingle with filthy men and women and are a low life, regardless of the cause you probably deserve to catch AIDS anyway. Who cares?
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flushd
 
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Reply Sun 6 Nov, 2005 01:54 am
Yikes!

Africa isn't the only place where AIDS is a serious problem.

If you think about how recently the facts and information about HIV/AIDS has been available to the public, it becomes clear that OF COURSE we are going to struggle with this issue for a long time yet.

There are still people in NA and the other supposedly 'advanced' countries who are ignorant and cruel. There are people who face discrimination. There are people who die from AIDS right here in Canada, the United States, and all over the world.

Every facet deserves media and public attention. Though huge strides have been made, there is still a long hard road ahead. That includes right here at home!
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Jack Webbs
 
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Reply Sun 6 Nov, 2005 10:57 am
Fact of the matter is, comparatively few people really care about the AIDS issue. This is because most people regardless of their economic status are basically decent and they are preoccupied with the daily rigors of life all normal people should be.

Issues such as AIDS, Global Warming, Homosexuality etc. etc. are the provinces of "the not too swift." Apologists and beggars that write on these issues, crusade for them and attempt to shove them down the throats of decent people usually have something common in two or more of these issues.

Inevitably people that profess sad concern for gay rights, global warming, AIDS and the environment are gay or sympathize with gays.

It doesn't interest most of us that are good people and live normal lives, attend church from time to time. Hasn't, never will.

Because most people do not fall in line with misfits does not mean they are ignorant. Rather the misfits are where they are because of THEIR ignorance. Not mine or any other decent person's.

Amen.
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babsatamelia
 
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Reply Sun 6 Nov, 2005 07:23 pm
Heck no. Now that the most AT RISK PERSONS in our
country are married WOMEN (and we KNOW how doctors tend to
treat women differently than men) now we rarely hear one single
word about AIDS epidemic. Twas so much more fun for SOME
Americans BLAMING gay men; but now that the truth is
out & just about everyone & anyone can and is getting it (what
was that about Africa?) ( except for gay women, who are the
very least at risk group) now that we are at a point where the
blame rests primarily upon the philandering husbands of America,
no one wishes to discuss the topic anymore. It's lost all of its
former appeal as a topic. What a world we live in. Webbs, an
unusually GOOD person, attends church once in awhile, WOW,
what a world changing event THAT is. Applause,applause.
I was not aware that the occassional day at church worked nearly
as well as a condom or abstinence.
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