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Fascism and Bush

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jan, 2005 08:21 am
McGentrix wrote:
PDiddie wrote:
I apologize for the following digression. It has no more to do with fascism and Bush than does Dan Rather and whatever it is gungasnake is babbling about.

(Bold emphasis is mine; thanks to Billmon, whose Whiskey Barappears to be open again):

The Washington Post wrote:
President Bush plans to reactivate his reelection campaign's network of donors and activists to build pressure on lawmakers to allow workers to invest part of their Social Security taxes in the stock market . . . The campaign will use Bush's campaign-honed techniques of mass repetition, never deviating from the script and using the politics of fear to build support


"Social Security Push to Tap GOP Faithful", January 12, 2005

Adolph Hitler wrote:
The receptive powers of the masses are very restricted, and their understanding is feeble. On the other hand, they quickly forget. Such being the case, all effective propaganda must be confined to a few bare essentials and those must be expressed as far as possible in stereotyped formulas . . . only constant repetition will finally succeed in imprinting an idea on the memory of the crowd.


Mein Kampf, 1925


You are comparing a writers interpretation of the Bush administration and comparing it to what Hitler wrote? What purpose does that serve?


You have to ask??????
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jan, 2005 10:16 am
I never thought about it before, but it makes so much sense ... I mean, all those years that my teachers kept repeating those lessons, forcing me to learn ... lessons that the government told them to teach me ... telling me that if I didn't learn I wouldn't graduate from high school and would end up living under a bridge ....

... It was just another fascist technique of propaganda. And now, all these years later ... I am but a tool for the bourgeoisie. http://community.the-underdogs.org/smiley/angry/rant.gif
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jan, 2005 10:28 am
I agree with the tool part, in any event.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 11 Sep, 2020 05:44 pm
Here we are 15 years later, and yet this thread seems so relevant today...

So... was Bush just like Hitler?
RABEL222
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2020 12:26 pm
@maxdancona,
Bush wasent smart enough to be compared to Hitler. Hitler controlled his government, Bush was controlled by the people in his government and the oil lobby.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2020 03:04 pm
@RABEL222,
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Bush wasent smart enough to be compared to Hitler.


Is Trump?

Obviously I am resurrecting this thread because now this same comparison is being made with Trump.

Hitler came to power with a systematic plan to eliminate a race of people by killing them. That is what made him evil. Comparing Obama because of crowds, or Bush because of military or Trump because of Muslim bans is ridiculous. None of them compare.

Auschwitz was a death camp. It was built to systematically and efficiently murder an entire race of people. When someone was brought to Auschwitz, the intention was that they would never leave. And millions of people were deliberately murdered in the most brutal ways at the death camps.

Now some people are comparing Auschwitz with immigrant detention centers in Texas to score cheap political points.

This is both ridiculous and obscene.
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2020 03:25 pm
Being similar to Hitler, is less about brain power than about the evil burning in the mind of the person and ability to hoodwink the masses, along with having an insane and evil cadre of supporters working with you.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2020 03:33 pm
@Sturgis,
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the evil burning in the mind of the person and ability to hoodwink the masses, along with having an insane and evil cadre of supporters working with you.


This applies to Bush. This also applies to Obama. And, now this applies to Trump.

That is the reason that this 15 year old thread is still relevant.

None of these presidents had a systematic plan to exterminate a race of people. That is why these comparisons are idiotic and obscene. I wish you would stop using the Holocaust as part of a sick partisan political game.
Sturgis
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2020 03:35 pm
@maxdancona,
If you return to page one of the thread, third post sums up a few things for a few folks.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 13 Sep, 2020 05:51 am
@Sturgis,
Sturgis wrote:

Being similar to Hitler, is less about brain power than about the evil burning in the mind of the person and ability to hoodwink the masses, along with having an insane and evil cadre of supporters working with you.


Well said, Sturgis, and so very true.

The Hitler "attitude" is the thing I fear in Trump.

Unfortunately, the damage Trump has done is so great, it may well not be remediable.

Those who still support him are complicit; those who do not support him but still do not oppose him with fervor are probably every bit as complicit.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sun 13 Sep, 2020 08:17 am
@Frank Apisa,
Here is the problem Frank

You said that Bush and Trump have "Hitler attitudes*.

You don't say that Clinton or Obama have Hitler
attitudes.

You have turned the Holocaust into a partisan game. Yay Team!
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 13 Sep, 2020 09:01 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

Here is the problem Frank


You said that Bush and Trump have "Hitler attitudes*.

You don't say that Clinton or Obama have Hitler
attitudes.



Ummm...I have said that both Michael Jordon and Jeb Bush are tall...but I don't say that Hervé Villechaize and Peter Dinkladge are tall, Max.

Do you find that as confusing?

ASIDE: I regret saying that Bush was Hitler-like. He was not. Trump is a dictator wanna-be on the first order...and is as Hitler-like as it is possible to get.

In my opinion, any American still supporting Trump is a traitor to our Republic...and a blight on humanity.

It also is my opinion that any American not actively opposing Trump...is not appreciably different from an American still supporting him.

Trump is a disgusting abomination who has already done more damage to our nation than any of its enemies have done in the past.

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You have turned the Holocaust into a partisan game. Yay Team!


I am a registered, capital "I" Independent, Max.

Nothing "partisan" in my scorn and contempt of Trump.

There also is nothing "partisan" in my contempt of his supporters and enablers.

I actually feel pity for them. They cannot help their stupidity. Unfortunately, there is no cure for stupidity.



maxdancona
 
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Reply Sun 13 Sep, 2020 09:07 am
@Frank Apisa,
It is interesting reading your posts from 15 years ago.

It doesn't seem like you have changed a bit.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 13 Sep, 2020 09:16 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

It is interesting reading your posts from 15 years ago.

It doesn't seem like you have changed a bit.


I've gotten older, Max.

So have you.

As for my posts...back then I said Bush was Hitler-like. Now I am saying I regret that.

That seems a bit of a change.

Perhaps your blindfold is impairing your sight.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sun 13 Sep, 2020 09:17 am
@Frank Apisa,
In 15 years, are you going to regret the things you said about Trump?

Let's meet here in 2035.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 13 Sep, 2020 09:53 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

In 15 years, are you going to regret the things you said about Trump?

Let's meet here in 2035.


I'll be 99 in 2035...and undoubtedly intelligent enough to realize that Trump was the worst president ever.

That is...if there still is a Republic left.

If he is re-elected (I hate even typing that possibility), the American experiment will probably have ended.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Sun 13 Sep, 2020 12:14 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Agree! Trump is the worst president, and the most dishonest president we have ever had. But what exactly does that say about our electroiate? I looked at the data we had on Trump before he wvwr ran for president and realized he was a crook affiliated with the crooked businesses and the communist crooks involved in laundering crooked money through his casinos. Anyone with an open mind could have accessed this information but were content to watch TV and listen to radio rather than take the time to do their own research. I was going to say we deserve the government we've got but I remembered that more people voted for Hillary than Trump. If we had an honest government they would have checked for voter suprrssion and illegal REPUBLICAN voting. I think that republicans talking about illegal voting and Trump encouraging republican voters to vote more than once is significant.
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