Evolutionry/religious nonsense

Ok on the road driving through some tough weather.

Ive been an atheist secular humanist, a pantheistic, a jehovia’s witness, a seventh day adventist, a Lutheran and a catholic. Every time i learned more science, history and philosophy my world has been uprooted. I know what you know. You are very good at describing the world in scientific terms and explaining how parts of it work.
Do you know what i know? Do you know what is true? Do you know the problems was the universe designed to solve. If you don’t know the question or want to ask it, how can you get the answer.

Jerlands is at least asking the right question.

1st purpose of the universe, provide a matrix of spinning particles to provide a medium to store information for long periods of time for communication.

Real ideas need to be put into context which reveal purpose. A computer can randomly generate a sentence, but not a novel or a or an instructional manual without programming it to do it. Even your deepak random word generator was created by the intelligence of many intelligent people. Without their intelligence your post couldn’t have been created.

we all go through those stages. Its good that you maintain confidence, its a good start.

Your random strings of science phrases are kinda transparent and empty of substance.Verbal onanism involving word meanings seems to be what you two have gravitated toward.

You missed the lesson about expansion and contraction.

no I didnt.

I wish you would just give examples where I used a word that did not describe a rational idea. Jerlands is talking about what numbers meant historically in folklore, traditions and religions. They did not talk in scientific jargon but as you pointed out in other discussions ancient men were as smart as us.

Agree that ancient men were as "smart as us." Knowledge grows as more information is recognized. We have the advantage today, because information is instantaneous around the planet. Scientific knowledge is shared.

Ancient thought was much different than today's conventional thought. For instance.. ancient egypt believed man the crown of creation and that all natural functions reside within man. I think ancient man looked inward to see outward. It's true we are able to share information but it seems our minds are restricted to perceiving passing of information between man through music, speech or symbol.

An example of ancient thought on one of the founding functions of becoming... Expansion and Contraction.... The breath of Life.
Hapi... in ancient egypt given relation to the nile, the moon, the baboon and the lungs.



'Hap-Meht' and 'Hap-Reset' uniting upper and lower egypt (the breath of life)

. Everywhere I look I see information. I am sitting in a restaurant looking around and the restaurant is just information that tells me about the person that designed the restaurant. (He liked the color red or at least he thought his customers would).

I look at the night sky and see countless stars, but I know that some of what looks like stars are actually other galaxies with billions of stars in them. My eyes can’t see the stars in those galaxies but scientists have proven they are there.

The stars and the restaurant are both made of quarks, which are the smallest bit of information. Every quark in every hydrogen atom looks and moves the same no matter which galaxy or which star it is in. (And that’s the same for the quarks in all the other elements.). That is a vast pattern that represents a lot of information.

Information always tells you something about its author. If there is a God or intelligence behind all the patterns in these quarks what does the night sky and the details of your life tell you about Him. If some God actually did lay out all this information, He is a quite capable being and must want everyone with eyeballs (and especially if they have telescopes and microscopes) to know it.

If He is that almighty, wouldn’t He leave a message revealing His plan. Or, why wouldn’t He just enter the universe personally and tell us the plan. I think the eye witness evidence in the Bible and other books, plus nature and science reveals that He did just that.

The initial idea of the universe had a perfect beginning and a perfect ending. Nothing has been added to that idea since He initiated it. The universe (with us in it) is in the process of revealing this perfect idea to us. Part of the process is, “teaching us what happens to perfection when you don’t follow the intended plan.” (It deteriorates and eventually will be destroyed).

But that’s just the first part of the lesson, the second part is if you are sorry for not following the rules, He said He has the capability to restore the universe and anyone who believes back to perfection.

So, I believe that the Bible is one source that reveals Him for two reasons:

1. If you can create a universe this vast with so much information, beauty and intelligent life you deserve a little trust and credit.

2. He came to earth, was killed and rose from the dead to personally (in front of witnesses) to prove he can do it.

If I am wrong in my interpretation of the evidence (which I find highly improbable) I am going to live as good and moral life as I can because I am a Christian (which I learned to live by trying to follow Jesus’s example). I will then be destroyed and eventually so will the universe with everyone and everything else in it.

If I am right (which I Feel the evidence greatly supports). I will die and some day rise from the dead and continue on in the initial perfect idea (That is in in the process off being revealed right now) along with all believers and the rest of the universe for enternity.

What is all this information in the universe telling you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_mythology

Ok.. well... my question kinda was directed behind the notion of artificial and natural intelligence. The Bible (Old Testament) has within it a resounding theme of not returning to the land of Egypt. My opinion of ancient Egypt is that it was based upon observance of natural laws. So why does the Old Testament lead us away from this knowledge?

As for what the universe is telling me.. I believe in natural laws and know transition is a time of chaos and confusion. We are entering a new age and this has always appeared in history as a time of conflict and corruption.

There is more manure being spread in this thread than one finds in a Nebraska feed lot.

You asked me why I look outside the universe for the Creator rather than inside. I do that because the information I am observing in the universe describes the author of the information it is not the author of the information. I have never observed information that was written by itself. All information is created from a frame of reference outside of the information. Even Ros's random word generator was an algorithm created by somebody outside the frame of reference of the computer that did the generating. Or farmers lab experiments where they are trying to replicate abiogeisis are created by a scientist's intelligence that is outside the frame of reference of the lab experiment that it is being run in.Do you know any example where that pattern is broken and the information is created from inside Frame of reference of the information.?

A LOT more.

When it comes to word salad, to babble-speak, this thread may be the all-time stinkiest.

Give examples ros and sen. You are showing your ignorance by not giving examples and explaining why you think the way you do.

Don't come in here and insult people's intelligence, and accuse them of ignorance. That's your claim and it is meaningless unless you can demonstrate the case. You have whined many times about name-calling, but you are one of those in this thread most likely to indulge in insults and name-calling--you and your buddy Jerlands. Who the hell is "sen" supposed to be?